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All of this is complete nonsense. Sociological gobbledygook designed to obfuscate what people have known to be true for eons. There are men and there are women. Period, end of story.

It's just the opposite. I'm fighting through the gobbledygook and going back to original definitions of the terms, 'sex' and 'gender'. Sex is determined genetically (x,y), gender is not.

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Posted by UGATiger26

Jacksonville, FL

Member since Dec 2009

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Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:01 am to WildTchoupitoulas

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It's just the opposite. I'm fighting through the gobbledygook and going back to original definitions of the terms, 'sex' and 'gender'. Sex is determined genetically (x,y), gender is not

You're certainly not "fighting through the gobbledlygook." You've accepted the gobbledlygook hook, line, and sinker, and now you're spouting the talking points like this is all scientific consensus. It's nothing more than bullshite made up out of thin air by sociologist and gender studies academicians with too much time on their hands.

Let me demonstrate how easy this is.

First, take a quick look at this video: 29-year-old man wants to be a baby

Would you say the man depicted in this video is disturbed? Would you say there are some mental issues at play here?

There aren't. Chlender (chronological gender) is simply a social construct that we've developed. It has nothing to do with age, which is assigned at birth, so to speak. Chlender is a spectrum. A person can have a low age, but identify as a very mature and elderly person. Or a woman whose age is 89 can identify as a toddler. We should be very careful about stigmatizing people whose chlender does not align with their age. and we should be sure that we accommodate their chlender preferences and treat them accordingly. A good way to start would be making sure that low-age people who identify as older are provided the services that we've traditionally reserved for people whose advanced chlender identity matches their advanced age, such as driver's licenses and ability to consent to sex. Likewise, people who may be of advanced age but have a younger chlender identity should be have access to quality daycare and shouldn't be turned away by nannying and daycare services simply because of their biological age.

Your idea of "gender" is nothing more than a facet of someone's personality. You can be a more effeminate man, and there's nothing wrong with that. You can be a tomboy girl, and there's nothing wrong with that. Just like a 13-year-old can be very mature for their age. Or a 50-year-old can be very immature for their age. Why aren't we accommodating these people's chlender preferences!!?? I'll tell you why: because we're cis-chlender shitlord society.

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They often do this through changing their appearance from what is culturally considered masculine dress, speech and mannerisms to feminine dress, speech and mannerisms, and more and more recently through, genital mutilation.

Interesting. Why do they feel the need to mutilate themselves simply because they prefer the dress, speech, and mannerisms of the other sex? What do their reproductive organs have to do with anything?

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Posted by Saint Alfonzo

Member since Jan 2019

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Posted on 6/12/19 at 9:40 am to WildTchoupitoulas

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It's just the opposite. I'm fighting through the gobbledygook and going back to original definitions of the terms, 'sex' and 'gender'. Sex is determined genetically (x,y), gender is not.

Sex is an immutable characteristic. You're a man or a woman, it's as simple as that. Gender is simply how you feel about that. It's personality and emotions. You can pretend to be anything you want to be, it doesn't make it science, it's just you getting in your feelings. Play whatever gender "role" you want to play, it's still just acting.

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Posted by bfniii

Member since Nov 2005

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Posted on 6/12/19 at 10:03 am to WildTchoupitoulas

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Sex is determined genetically (x,y), gender is not.

what you are describing is a social construct, not a biological fact.

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There's no way to tell what the gender will be once it develops into a adult

there's also no reason for a person who is biologically a male to either have sex with another male or have their genitals surgically removed.

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Gender is cultural

this is how the discussion has been reframed. first, there are only two "genders" and they match a person's biological sex. sometimes a person might have a epigenetic proclivity towards an alternative but, that does not have to be acted upon. everything else is an unnecessary social construct and psychological coping mechanism. culture has fostered the idea that gender can be "fluid." but "gender" is not "cultural."

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It's subjective.

completely wrong. this has been confirmed by science. it is static.

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It certainly can.

again, completely wrong. you are referring to the epigenetic traits a person has and yes, they can fluctuate. gender/sex does not.

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a man could wear a dress one day, and be feminine, and wear what we would generally agree to be masculine clothing the next day, and be masculine.

you are describing behavior, not something that is biologically real. you are trying to normalize it and make it seem like it's just how a person is. you aren't separating the epigenetic influence from the unhealthy choices a person is making. society has inculcated this to you and you have bought into it as if it is normative. the behavior you are describing is neither socially necessary nor biologically normal.