re: BR sports “LSU made that rise with the toughest schedule in college football

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But i don’t understand why it is such a no-no to honestly discuss the recent history of LSU football and have honest assessments of LSU’s head coach’s resume on an LSU sports message board.

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Are you serious right now? There's no such thing as honest dialogue here.
Everyone has their agenda to push...everyone believes they are right.....everyone's an expert.
That kinda precludes honest discussion.

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only saw the 2018 part of the discussion then

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The entire argument was meant to show that LSU got limited offensive help from the 2016 class, which is true. It turned into a major shitshow of a discussion with people twisting and spinning.

Thanks. I just can't read every page of every football thread. Yesterday morning Red and I were having a pretty good conversation but it wasn't about football. I had to step out for a couple hours and when I came back it was 7 pages later and it was still the same topic. I didn't even bother to respond because I figured it had all been covered by then. Hopefully when the season starts we can actually talk about the sport.

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it's a fondness for the former guy

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I don't see the issue in looking back on Miles' tenure with fondness. I also don't see the issue in presenting facts to people that try to downplay his achievements. It was a hell of a ride even if it ended unceremoniously. That said, this board was about as unified as it's ever been in November 2015 in agreement that it was time for Miles to go.

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inability to accept the current guy.

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Yeah, I've long gotten over my disdain for the hire itself. O has done some good things and has some good momentum. Maybe there are some people still bitter about the fact that he's our coach - I can't really speak for them. The ultimate question for me is and always has been whether or not he's capable of getting us over the hump. I've always thought he would have at least a slight measure of success here - 9-10 wins, a few big regular season moments, a nice bowl win here and there, etc. I still have questions about whether or not he's the guy to get us back to championship caliber. This season will go a long way to determining what our ceiling will be under O, IMVHO.

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Yeah, I've long gotten over my disdain for the hire itself. O has done some good things and has some good momentum. Maybe there are some people still bitter about the fact that he's our coach - I can't really speak for them. The ultimate question for me is and always has been whether or not he's capable of getting us over the hump. I've always thought he would have at least a slight measure of success here - 9-10 wins, a few big regular season moments, a nice bowl win here and there, etc. I still have questions about whether or not he's the guy to get us back to championship caliber. This season will go a long way to de

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Perfectly stated and that's exactly how I feel as well.

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I still have questions about whether or not he's the guy to get us back to championship caliber. This season will go a long way to determining what our ceiling will be under O, IMVHO

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This is pretty much how I feel. I think he can get us over the hump, I'm just not sure he's 10)% on track to do it.

We will know way more this season. If this is the max, then next man up.

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Meanwhile it’s ok to say the sec sucks when O wins games

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Are you referring to 2017 here? Assuming you are, the SEC was very top heavy that season. Our list of SEC wins that year weren't exactly a murderer's row. Not going to say the SEC "sucked" that year, but it was definitely a down year once you got past Bama and UGA.

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I never heard anyone “dispute” CLM wins vs ranked opponents or being the highest ranked team with the most losses

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You must not have been paying attention.

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I still have questions about whether or not he's the guy to get us back to championship caliber. This season will go a long way to determining what our ceiling will be under O, IMVHO.

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So do I.

Here's the thing...he's not Saban or Dabo...or even CUM. He's not in their league and never will be.
So we're expecting him to perform like they have? Win multiple titles and wreck shite on a regular basis?
He might end up winning a single title at some point...like Miles did....but that would probably be an outlier rather than the norm.

I didnt want O either but moved past it quickly when it became obvious we were stuck with him. This is something many turds on here refuse to do...so instead, they stay pissed all the time and make silly statements like "we got rid of Miles for losing 3 games..what are we doing?"....and the like...as if this going to change things.

He might catch lightning in a bottle and do something great this year or next. This season is HUGE for him.
His leash will not be as long as Miles.

I cant imagine JW is going to sit back and watch us languish in mediocrity for long like JA did.

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I just stuck to I hated his clock management and unwillingness to make our offense better

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and playing down to the level of our competition. That one irked me more than anything else.


I didn't run down the SEC or minimize Miles' victories like these total douche bags do with O these days.