do you have a better way to gather useful evidence on the effect of what we've been doing, or of what expanding/intensifying what we've been doing is likely to result in? or are you just opposed to acknowledging or considering any cost at all?

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the tariffs that are in place to address the threat china presents

"address the threat"? how bout we carefully assess the threat and the success in addressing it, as well?

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just because there are some steel companies that have experienced temporary pressure or because washing machines temporarily went up a few pennies doesn't mean the tariffs aren't addressing the obvious existential threat china represents to the entire nation.

why do you get so irate at credible attempts to assess the actual impact of this supposed addressing though

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i have posted this comment several times in direct response to you and ib. you have NEVER responded to it

there is nothing in it to respond to. in the case of this thread, it is a vague and conveniently-unfalsifiable attempt at hand-waving away actual evidence as it is collected and presented, consistently coupled with hostility to that evidence.

evidence >>>>>>>>> any vague promise of some hopeful outcome by you, 10 times out of 10

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you're a deluded individual who has a victim complex. you are right and everyone else is wrong. no one can recognize your genius.

you're wasting your time feeling bad for me, i'm not the one who fears data in favor of vague suggestions and promises

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link that.

LINK

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Posted by bfniii

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Posted on 5/11/19 at 8:44 pm to 90proofprofessional

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do you have a better way to gather useful evidence on the effect of what we've been doing

yeah. stop looking at something that is so far downstream of what the tariffs are initially trying to accomplish. that might help.

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how bout we carefully assess the threat

how do you know this hasn't been done? btw, it doesn't take assessment to know china is a military threat to the us

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why do you get so irate at credible attempts to assess the actual impact of this supposed addressing though

complete non response to the point i made

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it is a vague

if you think THAT is vague, i can't help you. i suspect you're intentionally being obstinate

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conveniently-unfalsifiable

that ip theft has occurred? what planet are you living on?

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attempt at hand-waving away actual evidence

no, i'm just not giving in to you trying to introduce downstream, temporary, episodic effects to a systemic, national problem. you're clinging to that junk because you can't admit you're wrong.

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evidence >>>>>>>>> any vague promise of some hopeful outcome by you

first, your "evidence" is not relevant as i have explained multiple times. it is downstream. it is episodic. it is temporary. second, therefore, the "hopeful outcome" is indeed the the primary mission. it's crazy how complicated you are making this. third, you are STILL not proving how your tpp scenario would be doing any better. all you can say is "i think" and "most likely." so far, you haven't even tried to rebut the economists who think the tpp is a bad trade deal, much less deal with the ip theft aspect.

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i'm not the one who fears data

he says to the person who keeps posting statistics and facts.

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LINK

so you cite a link where you DIDN'T respond to the point. classic 90. "that doesn't even make sense" is not a substantive response. a substantive response would have been to state precisely HOW my characterization doesn't make sense. your response is typical 90 bluster

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