That's far more true in the 1st generation than it is in the 2nd generation. One of the visible signs of integration is the degree of diffusion that exists in large cities, so much so that markers like Chinatown are more vestiges than descriptions.

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But none of that really changes the fact that bringing in people from a totally different nation, culture, and background into this nation, unique as most other nations are, will fundamentally transform it.

Of course it will change it. But America has been the best in the world at integrating immigrants, as long as they want to be integrated. It also shames and shuns those who don't want to be integrated.

Whenever discussions like this show up on the board, I'm reminded of this quote in an article about Algerians in France.

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“In the 14 years I have been here, I have never really been accepted, neither socially nor professionally,” said Sami Rahemi, who was born in Algeria, moved to France when he was 5 and returned to Algeria as an investor when he was 35. “Ever since I arrived in 1992, I have been called ‘the emigrant.’ I have always been defined by my migratory flow and never by what I am as a person. I had lived two years earlier in California, and everyone called me by my name there.”

I think it shows that Americans are far more concerned with what a person contributes than where they are from, and it makes me proud to be American. I believe in the country a great deal, and I think it can survive any demographic transition.

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Posted by MrCarton

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Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:10 am to crazy4lsu

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I think it shows that Americans are far more concerned with what a person contributes than where they are from, and it makes me proud to be American. I believe in the country a great deal, and I think it can survive any demographic transition.

We fundamentally disagree on this. In America, we have no choice about issues of immigration. Economic integration is mandatory. Social integration is only partially regulated as yet, but where it isn't, Somalis (used as a stand in here) remain unintegrated. For that matter, black Americans people and white Americans remain almost totally unintegrated where it isn't mandated that they be integrated.

What you are noting is forced participation in a common economy, which is not the same as a unitary, civic nationalism. It's actually a hot plate for a massive massive problem.

I'd also add my previous point about political interest in importing brown people into the US and the literal jubilation concerning the sweeping demographic changes that are projected.

If highly partisan leftists are excited about and endorsing such changes, am I to believe that my political outlook and perspective is to remain safe through this process? Of course not. This immigration issue is clearly a zero sum issue being pushed hard by those with a clear interest in displacing whites from their homelands.

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