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re: Blockchain technology the future of voting?

Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:19 am to
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:19 am to
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why do we trust our entire economic system to electronic processes?



hell the IRS is electronic now
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:20 am to
Broward County is isolated. Online voting would not be.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:22 am to
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I’m not disputing that blockchain has some security issues, I’m disputing the claim that it’s LESS secure than whatever the hell we are doing now


Again, blockchain isn't necessarily the issue.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:22 am to
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Broward County is isolated. Online voting would not be.


If by “online” you mean at home or remotely then I totally agree. I’m talking about voting booths that use blockchain. You would still need to appear in person.

How do we know that Broward county is isolated? Maybe we are only looking there because of their blatant history.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:23 am to
Can you elaborate a bit? I’m not understanding your point.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:25 am to
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You would still need to appear in person.


What about those who don't?

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How do we know that Broward county is isolated? 


Their process (system) is absolutely isolated.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:26 am to
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I’m not understanding your point.



you are about to be sucked into the displaced zone,
where answers are fuzzy and have multiple escape hatches
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:27 am to
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I’m not understanding your point.


Blockchain on its own is relatively secure. It's also not the only component of the system.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:30 am to
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Blockchain on its own is relatively secure. It's also not the only component of the system.


Simply restating the same thing does not help.

What part of this “system” is the hang up that is preventing only voting from advancing past paper and manual counting?

Posted by WaWaWeeWa
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:32 am to
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you are about to be sucked into the displaced zone, where answers are fuzzy and have multiple escape hatches


Yea I’m about to bail. I’ve been down this road before. I don’t understand the need to be vague. But I’ll be labeled as someone who can’t understand or doesn’t want to understand.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:33 am to
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Simply restating the same thing does not help.


Sure, because you don't understand the technology or what you're even proposing. I'm not going to teach you, either. Sorry bout it.

Until you can fully articulate how your proposed idea would work, I have little interest in explaining exactly what's wrong with it.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:34 am to
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I’ll be labeled as someone who can’t understand or doesn’t want to understand.


Obviously.

PT isn't where you should spend your time researching.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:41 am to
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Sure, because you don't understand the technology or what you're even proposing. I'm not going to teach you, either. Sorry bout it.


like clockwork

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Until you can fully articulate


That’s your problem bub. You haven’t said or linked anything of substance.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:42 am to
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this “system”


its layers of security

restriction to in person voting only is one layer, but there are others like:

- restriction to one day only
- prescreening via a registration process
- identification requirement restricted to IDs that have their own security screen process (official state ID)


Remote voting by mail removes the 'in person' layer but you may still have registration and time restriction layers.
You do lose a check point on identification, that the mail in was made by that registered voter, but you can add that back by requiring a notary.

Remote by electronic using face or fingerprint may add back a layer without the need for a notary.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:43 am to
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You haven’t said or linked anything of substance.



FFS. Have you read UPenn's take presented to Congress? Or anything MIT has published on this topic?
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:47 am to
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FFS. Have you read UPenn's take presented to Congress? Or anything MIT has published on this topic?


Why don’t you just link that info instead of being a self righteous prick about everything?

If you are too intelligent for this conversation go find another one.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:49 am to
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restriction to in person voting only is one layer, but there are others like: - restriction to one day only - prescreening via a registration process - identification requirement restricted to IDs that have their own security screen process (official state ID) Remote voting by mail removes the 'in person' layer but you may still have registration and time restriction layers.


I agree. There are still other issues.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:50 am to
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MIT has published on this topic?


saw a piece that offered skepticism, that's fine

But we aren't necessarily talking about blockchain as a full replacement to existing systems, but only a complementary addition to existing systems.
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:52 am to
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oh you mean like chain to a block? Like all you white devils did to slaves? SO I'm a slave? You're a filthy racist, and probably a bigot and homophobe too.

Typical white patriarchy with your racial overtones and deliberate gas lighting, trying to suppress votes,you discriminatory a-hole. How dare you disrespect my identity with such a term!!

I'm so angered by your suggestion, I'm going to commit some act of violence against a person or inanimate object, and will be celebrated for it!!



::rabblerabble::

You forgot dog whistle
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:57 am to
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Why don’t you just link that info


Because that's easily the most visible information available for what you're asking. If you haven't read any of it, I know you haven't even tried. I already knew that based on your stupid questions, but this confirms it.

If you were serious about finding information that opposes your ideas, the MIT research is the first thing you'd find. That you haven't read it shows you aren't as serious as you're pretending to be and I'll not waste my time spoon-feeding it to you.
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