re: Can you teach a child morality without religion?

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Even then I would argue karma could used to explain that theres a natural order or balance to life and that if you stray too far to one side or the other you will upset that balance. Does that imply a spiritual presence?

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There's a scientific term for this. So no, that doesn't imply a spiritual presence, but it doesn't imply karma either.

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Even then I would argue karma could used to explain that theres a natural order or balance to life and that if you stray too far to one side or the other you will upset that balance. Does that imply a spiritual presence?

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Where does the "natural order" arise from? It assumes that there are things which are meant to be or there is a standard of rightness. Where does the standard come from?

If you are a random collection of atoms in space, a pure accident of happenstance, a temporary nothing on the blip of time, how is there a natural order to things? Why was Hitler wrong? Why isn't might right?

The logical conclusion from such a belief is nihilism. Nietzsche followed that rabbit hole of nihilism to its logical conclusion and ended his life as a madman.