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re: Haskins completed 56% against Penn State on Saturday.
Posted on 9/30/18 at 8:36 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Posted on 9/30/18 at 8:36 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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I pass these little inside tidbits on to the people who find them interesting.
Posted on 9/30/18 at 8:37 pm to bfniii
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haskins was atrocious early. at the half, he was 7-16 with an int
Haskins was actually excellent early. If you think our WRs have drop problems, OSU would have given you an aneurysm in the first quarter.
Haskins was bad in the 2nd quarter as PSU turned up the pressure. Prior to that he was putting the ball on the money and getting zero help.
This post was edited on 9/30/18 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 9/30/18 at 8:41 pm to Open Your Eyes
quote:as i have stated repeatedly, this does not tell the whole story
Joe burrow completed 50% against Southeastern Louisiana 3 weeks ago
quote:i haven't done that but to look at burrow's overall stats and not acknowledge that the offense has been throttled back in 3 games after a accumulating a large lead and that affects burrow's stats is disingenuous. he's proven that when ens keeps the pedal to the metal, he is getting the job done.
I also love how burrow is the only quarterback you track dropped passes, throwaways, pressures, etc and compile a "what if" completion percentage for.
if you take out the 3 halves when lsu shut the offense down, burrow is among the national leaders in yards per completion. it's somewhere around 16 yards per completion and that's against 2 really good defenses
This post was edited on 9/30/18 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 9/30/18 at 8:42 pm to Open Your Eyes
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The next logical question is, why did player A quit if he still had a chance to be the starter?
Already answered -
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Meyer moved the goalposts. Promised to name a starter the week after the Spring game, then didn't. No longer a fair competition. Burrow is now competing quite nicely.
Burrow's whole family is football savvy. Logjams of talent happen all the time. Meyer balked at naming a starter. Said it was too close to call. Why would a QB with NFL potential accept a coin flip? Particularly when the HC reneged on his promise to name a starter.
The Burrow clan ain't gonna play "Lucy and the Football" with Coach Meyer.
Posted on 9/30/18 at 8:44 pm to bfniii
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if you take out the 3 halves when lsu shut the offense down, burrow is among the national leaders in yards per completion. it's somewhere around 16 yards per completion and that's against 2 really good defenses
Yards per completion is a useless stat, FYI.
Posted on 9/30/18 at 8:51 pm to bfniii
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if you take out the 3 halves when lsu shut the offense down, burrow is among the national leaders in yards per completion. it's somewhere around 16 yards per completion and that's against 2 really good defenses
Your argument is "if you take away the 30% of the games when Burrow wasn't very good, he's really good."
This post was edited on 9/30/18 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 9/30/18 at 8:51 pm to bfniii
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as i have stated repeatedly, this does not tell the whole story
and the post wasn't directed at you.
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i haven't done that but to look at burrow's overall stats and not acknowledge that the offense has been throttled back in 3 games after a accumulating a large lead and that affects burrow's stats is disingenuous. he's proven that when ens keeps the pedal to the metal, he is getting the job done. if you take out the 3 halves when lsu shut the offense down, burrow is among the national leaders in yards per completion. it's somewhere around 16 yards per completion and that's against 2 really good defenses
the mental gymnastics and obscure, extremely subjective statistical parameters you and others continually deploy to make burrow look good are ridiculous.
at the very least you could be consistent and judge the other quarterbacks to that same ridiculous level.
go through and do the statistics for tua, haskins, mcsorely, grier, murray, fromm, browning, etc if you take out the x number of halves where their teams shut the offense down, or x number of games where the offense is throttled back after large leads, then comre back here and post those numbers.
at least then we'll be looking at equal data points for all involved.
Posted on 9/30/18 at 8:55 pm to slackster
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Haskins was actually excellent early. If you think our WRs have drop problems, OSU would have given you an aneurysm in the first quarter.
Penn State had Haskins off his spot and out of rhythm. Haskins throws bullets even on short passes. Bullets are great if they're on target. But Haskins was a little off the strike zone on those early bullets. Very hard for WRs to catch those things if they're not spot-on.
Posted on 9/30/18 at 8:58 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Already answered -
the question comes after the answer you think you provided occurs. so no, it wasn't.
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Burrow's whole family is football savvy.
you think this is relevant why?
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Logjams of talent happen all the time.
and kids transfer, because they either officially get beat out or they see the writing on the wall that they are going to. its not good or bad, its the reality of college football nowadays. you continuously trying to spin it as a positive for burrow is pathetic.
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Meyer balked at naming a starter. Said it was too close to call. Why would a QB with NFL potential accept a coin flip? Particularly when the HC reneged on his promise to name a starter.
why would a quarterback with nfl aspirations care about any of the above? why would a quarterback with nfl aspirations think he wouldnt beat out the other player for the starting job? why would the quarterback with nfl aspirations quit instead of competing to be the starter in a race that was too close to call?
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The Burrow clan ain't gonna play "Lucy and the Football" with Coach Meyer.
what are you even arguing here? that the burrow's think meyer was going to name haskins the starter despite burrow being better? no, it cant be that because you continue to tell everyone that meyer didnt name a starter and the competition was still open. so what could the burrow family possibly have been upset about when, according to you, their son was still competing to be the starting quarterback at ohio st?
Posted on 9/30/18 at 9:08 pm to Open Your Eyes
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so what could the burrow family possibly have been upset about when, according to you, their son was still competing to be the starting quarterback at ohio st?
Meyer made the Burrow's a promise. That he would decide on a date certain. Meyer broke that promise. Game over.
Is it difficult for you to contemplate a team having 2 QBs with NFL potential (read: Millions of dollars at stake).
If I had a son in that positions (flip a coin over millions he may lose) I'd do the same as the Burrow's. Particularly when I knew damn well he had MUCH better than 50/50 odds at scores of other schools. Tell the truth, so would you.
Posted on 9/30/18 at 9:12 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Meyer made the Burrow's a promise. That he would decide on a date certain. Meyer broke that promise. Game over.
so youre telling us the burrow's took their ball and went home when their son still was still competing to be the starter at ohio st, because a decision on the starter wasn't made when they wanted it to be? and you keep posting it as if you think that makes the burrows look good? it doesn't, it makes them look like petulant children that are afraid of competition.
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Is it difficult for you to contemplate a team having 2 QBs with NFL potential (read: Millions of dollars at stake). If I had a son in that positions (flip a coin over millions he may lose) I'd do the same as the Burrow's. Particularly when I knew damn well he had MUCH better than 50/50 odds at scores of other schools. Tell the truth, so would you.
no, it isnt. thus the reason for this part of my last post that you completely ignore and act like i didn't say.
"and kids transfer, because they either officially get beat out or they see the writing on the wall that they are going to. its not good or bad, its the reality of college football nowadays. you continuously trying to spin it as a positive for burrow is pathetic."
This post was edited on 9/30/18 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 9/30/18 at 9:19 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Penn State had Haskins off his spot and out of rhythm. Haskins throws bullets even on short passes. Bullets are great if they're on target. But Haskins was a little off the strike zone on those early bullets. Very hard for WRs to catch those things if they're not spot-on.
Huh?
We're talking about Joe Burrow, the king of getting poor stats blamed on WR drops, vs Haskins, a QB who had legitimately bad drops last night.
That knife cuts both ways. Haskins wasn't nearly as bad as the stats suggest early on.
Posted on 9/30/18 at 9:21 pm to Open Your Eyes
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no, it isnt. thus the reason for this part of my last post that you completely ignore and act like i didn't say.
"and kids transfer, because they either officially get beat out or they see the writing on the wall that they are going to. its not good or bad, its the reality of college football nowadays. you continuously trying to spin it as a positive for burrow is pathetic."
What you're missing is that Burrow wasn't "beat out". Meyer had them equal.
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so youre telling us the burrow's took their ball and went home when their son still was still competing to be the starter at ohio st, because a decision on the starter wasn't made when they wanted it to be? and you keep posting it as if you think that makes the burrows look good? it doesn't, it makes them look like petulant children that are afraid of competition.
Don't know about you, but when someone breaks an important promise to me or mine, it's a whole new ballgame. Trust is dead. Every man for himself.
Posted on 9/30/18 at 9:29 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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What you're missing is that Burrow wasn't "beat out". Meyer had them equal.
im not missing anything. i keep asking very pointed questions addressing that, and you keep ignoring them:
"The next logical question is, why did player A quit if he still had a chance to be the starter?"
"why would a quarterback with nfl aspirations care about any of the above? why would a quarterback with nfl aspirations think he wouldnt beat out the other player for the starting job? why would the quarterback with nfl aspirations quit instead of competing to be the starter in a race that was too close to call?"
"that the burrow's think meyer was going to name haskins the starter despite burrow being better? no, it cant be that because you continue to tell everyone that meyer didnt name a starter and the competition was still open. so what could the burrow family possibly have been upset about when, according to you, their son was still competing to be the starting quarterback at ohio st?"
"so youre telling us the burrow's took their ball and went home when their son still was still competing to be the starter at ohio st, because a decision on the starter wasn't made when they wanted it to be?"
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Don't know about you, but when someone breaks an important promise to me or mine, it's a whole new ballgame. Trust is dead. Every man for himself.
so instead of competing to win the starting job that you are in open competition for as a quarterback with nfl aspirations, you quit so you can go to one of the "scores of other schools" where your chances of being the starter are "MUCH better than 50/50 odds"
that tells me youre afraid of competition and just want to be at a school where the job will be handed to you. thats what you keep telling us burrow did.
Posted on 9/30/18 at 9:36 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
We aren’t complainig. We love us some Joe Burrow.
Posted on 9/30/18 at 9:37 pm to Goldrush25
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Kinda shitty as a Buckeye fan to not recognize that you guys could have a special season going on there just because your guy didn't win the job.
No matter what his screen name is, I'm not sure that the OP is a Buckeye fan. He may be an Ohioan and hence from the Buckeye state, but may prefer his local MAC team, such as Ohio U or Toledo or Kent State or BGSU, etc. While the vast majority of Ohioans root for both their local MAC team and Ohio State, there are a few who like one and dislike the other.
The OP has made enough derogatory statements about OSU and how they treated Joey B that I doubt he is a Buckeyes fan.
Posted on 9/30/18 at 9:39 pm to Open Your Eyes
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why would a quarterback with nfl aspirations care about any of the above? why would a quarterback with nfl aspirations think he wouldnt beat out the other player for the starting job? why would the quarterback with nfl aspirations quit instead of competing to be the starter in a race that was too close to call?
This is what I struggle with in this entire "Burrow was given a raw deal" narrative that's being presented.
He would've gotten a shot to prove himself, starter or not. Not like he was going to be buried on the bench with no chance. And the results would've been on display for the world to see.
This post was edited on 9/30/18 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 9/30/18 at 9:39 pm to Open Your Eyes
I'm telling you exactly what happened. Sorry it doesn't fit your assumptions.
The Burrow's weren't going to be dinked around by Meyer anymore. Either Meyer made up his mind in May, or he was gone. Meyer said it was too close to choose. So Burrow left.
Seems like one hell of a great decision for Burrow and LSU.
The Burrow's weren't going to be dinked around by Meyer anymore. Either Meyer made up his mind in May, or he was gone. Meyer said it was too close to choose. So Burrow left.
Seems like one hell of a great decision for Burrow and LSU.
Posted on 9/30/18 at 9:45 pm to Spotswoode
Haskins may have been better for their system, Burrow may be better for Ensmingers.
JR was better for Crowton's but Flynn was better for Green Bay's. That is the way it works.
JR was better for Crowton's but Flynn was better for Green Bay's. That is the way it works.
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