Exactly. I dont consider waterboarding someone as torture. To me torture would be shoving bamboo up he fingers, cutting off skin or appendages, breaking bones, pulling teeth, etc.

I dont think anyone died from being waterboarded, they may have thought they were going to die but most surely survived.

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Posted by buckeye_vol

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Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:48 am to alphaandomega

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Exactly. I dont consider waterboarding someone as torture.

While its description of the process doesn't immediately make me think it must be torture, the effects of it sure makes it seem like torture.

And I think the Bush administration's justification that it wasn't torture because it doesn't cause "severe pain or suffering" is decieving because they know that they it's intended to create a psychological response that isn't as easy to measure and verify so they can just dismiss it as not severe.

And maybe this is my psych background, but given the one of the primary bases thst soldiers in the Iraq War suffered when returning home was PTSD, which you could just the same argument as waterboarding to dismiss.

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Posted by buckeye_vol

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Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:53 am to alphaandomega

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I dont think anyone died from being waterboarded, they may have thought they were going to die but most surely survived.

Well you could die from it because it could cause dry drowning.

But I'm not sure what dying has to do with the torture argument. Torture is not meant to kill someone, as they defeats the purpose, and the torture methods you described above aren't usually lethal themsleves either.

I wouldn't expect pulling teeth to kill someone (unless there was an infection or something). And it's actually pretty close to a common dental procedure, just done more painfully. So why would they be torture then?

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