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re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi Discussion Thread ***SPOILERS***
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:59 am to keakar
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:59 am to keakar
It's been awhile since I saw this movie, and I figured I would give my perspective on it now, after it has all settled in.
Basically, Disney has turned Star Wars into the space version of Pirates of the Caribbean. It's a fantasy setting to allow for bland adventures now, with a mystical (the Force) element added in both for effects and for expressing a point of view (ie a religious soapbox, but without the stigma of religion).
Nothing fits into Lucas' original stories, or even his later prequel trilogy, or mythos for that matter.
Politics- in the OT, it was The Empire. They ruled the galaxy, and the Rebellion was formed to overthrow it (or break free). But everything was an Imperial territory. Tatooine was, Luke wanted to go to the Academy. There were stormtroopers there. Alderaan was, Leia was a senator from that planet, and the Senate was part of the Empire until the Death Star was launched to rule by fear instead of bureaucracy. The Rebellion hid out on desolate, outskirt planets under the Empire's watchful gaze (and Lando ran a small bootleg mining operation beneath the level that would attract their attention).
Prequels- the Republic, the precursor to the Empire. Again, the Senate had representatives from everywhere.
This arrangement fell apart in a civil war where several major systems tried to break away (the Corporate Sector, the Trade Federation, the Banking Clan, etc). This caused the formation of the Empire, and the opposing political movement was stamped out. Empire reigned supreme at the end.
Sequels- 2/3 in, we really have no idea what the hell is going on in the galaxy. Forget the supplemental books, we should be able to understand a movie story from the actual movies. We were told that there was a New Republic, but they got snuffed out an hour into the first film. There is a First Order with Imperial-style gear... which doesn't make much sense overall. If the Rebellion won after the Emperor was killed, THEY should have the benefit of the manufacturing facilities, and they should have the new gear. One would assume the New Republic would be that. And if the First Order is a remnant of the old Imperial forces, the New Republic should be fighting them tooth and nail, because the consolidation of power should be the principle goal of any government. A surviving and fighting segment of the Empire means the Rebel Alliance should still be at war, because it never ended.
Which leads us to the Resistance. Leia's now in that group. But the Resistance existed while the New Republic was still around... so who are they resisting? Are they in First Order territory (the name would suggest so, but we don't ever see any First Order worlds)? Were they resisting the New Republic too? Are they just militant guerrillas?
It seems that the story has been neglected severely. At best, the galaxy has Balkanized, but that isn't told to us either. More likely, the whole central concept has just been ignored for the sake of shallow space conflicts on the big screen.
And that's just the political angle, I'm not even going into the Force mysticism and the Skywalker storylines that are being tossed aside.
None of this sequel, thus far, is worthy of the Star Wars name.
Basically, Disney has turned Star Wars into the space version of Pirates of the Caribbean. It's a fantasy setting to allow for bland adventures now, with a mystical (the Force) element added in both for effects and for expressing a point of view (ie a religious soapbox, but without the stigma of religion).
Nothing fits into Lucas' original stories, or even his later prequel trilogy, or mythos for that matter.
Politics- in the OT, it was The Empire. They ruled the galaxy, and the Rebellion was formed to overthrow it (or break free). But everything was an Imperial territory. Tatooine was, Luke wanted to go to the Academy. There were stormtroopers there. Alderaan was, Leia was a senator from that planet, and the Senate was part of the Empire until the Death Star was launched to rule by fear instead of bureaucracy. The Rebellion hid out on desolate, outskirt planets under the Empire's watchful gaze (and Lando ran a small bootleg mining operation beneath the level that would attract their attention).
Prequels- the Republic, the precursor to the Empire. Again, the Senate had representatives from everywhere.
This arrangement fell apart in a civil war where several major systems tried to break away (the Corporate Sector, the Trade Federation, the Banking Clan, etc). This caused the formation of the Empire, and the opposing political movement was stamped out. Empire reigned supreme at the end.
Sequels- 2/3 in, we really have no idea what the hell is going on in the galaxy. Forget the supplemental books, we should be able to understand a movie story from the actual movies. We were told that there was a New Republic, but they got snuffed out an hour into the first film. There is a First Order with Imperial-style gear... which doesn't make much sense overall. If the Rebellion won after the Emperor was killed, THEY should have the benefit of the manufacturing facilities, and they should have the new gear. One would assume the New Republic would be that. And if the First Order is a remnant of the old Imperial forces, the New Republic should be fighting them tooth and nail, because the consolidation of power should be the principle goal of any government. A surviving and fighting segment of the Empire means the Rebel Alliance should still be at war, because it never ended.
Which leads us to the Resistance. Leia's now in that group. But the Resistance existed while the New Republic was still around... so who are they resisting? Are they in First Order territory (the name would suggest so, but we don't ever see any First Order worlds)? Were they resisting the New Republic too? Are they just militant guerrillas?
It seems that the story has been neglected severely. At best, the galaxy has Balkanized, but that isn't told to us either. More likely, the whole central concept has just been ignored for the sake of shallow space conflicts on the big screen.
And that's just the political angle, I'm not even going into the Force mysticism and the Skywalker storylines that are being tossed aside.
None of this sequel, thus far, is worthy of the Star Wars name.
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