Except we weren’t a “.500 program”. You’re cherry picking divisional record in the last three years, when our division happened to be historically stacked (the talent advantage of LSU in that time span is highly overstated).

Only once in Miles’ last seven seasons did LSU finish .500 in the SEC.

2009: 5-3
2010: 6-2
2011: 8-0
2012: 6-2
2013: 5-3
2014: 4-4
2015: 5-3

In what world is that a “.500 program”?

And when you factor in the SEC falling off the cliff last year, it’s highly unlikely Miles’ record looks any worse than O’s did if he was given the full season that he should have gotten in 2016 against a slew of teams that couldn’t stop the run.

That’s my biggest problem with the posters praising what we’ve seen as some huge improvement from what we had seen before. Point to a single win that LSU has had since the coaching change that would have gone differently if no change had been made?

While we weren’t a .500 program, I acknowledge we weren’t competing for division or conference titles the last three years either. That’s a fair criticism.

But we aren’t doing that under the new regime either. And that has to be acknowledged and criticized as well.

This post was edited on 12/7/17 at 8:14 pm

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Posted on 12/7/17 at 9:15 pm to Tiger Voodoo

"I am the search Alleva" devalued this program by hiring a DL Coach without bona fide occupational qualifications. Alleva fired Miles with the explicit goal of hiring an Offensive-Minded Coach with the credentials to compete with Saban. That was not done.

LSU faced a Top 5 SOS in 2015 and Miles landed the #2 Recruiting Class. 2017 was historically low 42 SOS + or - whether you take into account SORecord and SOResume. The current Recruiting Class is #12 with 19 commits...Texas is #2 with 18 commits.

Talent does not win: Coaching/QBs/Offense wins.

LSU has had top 5 Talent Composite for 5 yrs and barely made the Top 20 this year and for the past 6 yrs, dropping out of it in 2014. His Offense was StoneAge.

You can choose to be a homer, Rantard, "posi-tiger", and back Alleva or you can look objectively and analytically and advocate for what is best for LSU.

After 16 seasons under the leadership of first, Nick Saban and then Les Miles, up to 2011 LSU returned to national prominence. Alleva may have given all of that back with the hiring of Orgeron. His top qualifications for the job seem to have been he was interested, he was available and he’s from Louisiana."

In reality, the criticism aimed at "O' is really just a shot at LSU Athletic Director Joe Alleva who "rushed to hire a man with no other offers and a career 3-21 SEC coaching record."