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re: High level finance class is a new level of intense
Posted on 1/6/18 at 6:30 am to Doc Fenton
Posted on 1/6/18 at 6:30 am to Doc Fenton
I'm late chiming in, but had been meaning to circle back. lynx, I'm not familiar with NPVq but would be curious to review anything you might have on it.
Re: IRR vs NPV, I view them like a flathead and a Phillips - similar in what they are trying to accomplish (aid in an investment decision) but nonetheless different in some key ways that give them different uses for different scenarios.
In the project finance / corporate finance / what I'd call "corporate PE / VC" work that I do, I prefer IRR because it requires one fewer variable (don't have to estimate a discount rate), and it's how PE tends to track our business. For instance, if our business is currently producing a 9.0% levered IRR on a PE owner's original investment, I want new projects to be in excess of that in order to be accretive to their yield. There's some nuance behind why that is so important in my little niche of the world, but IRR definitely reigns supreme. Of course, your analysis would typically include a discussion of NPVs as well with sensitivity provided around the discount rate. I tend not to use a corporate WACC or ROE as my discount rate, because I like the analytical rigor that goes into supplying a different discount rate for each project based on its own individual risk factors.
We should have one mammoth thread on valuation. Having worked in a number of different areas of finance now (both institutional and corporate), it's interesting to think back on and discuss how your views are refined as your knowledge broadens.
Re: IRR vs NPV, I view them like a flathead and a Phillips - similar in what they are trying to accomplish (aid in an investment decision) but nonetheless different in some key ways that give them different uses for different scenarios.
In the project finance / corporate finance / what I'd call "corporate PE / VC" work that I do, I prefer IRR because it requires one fewer variable (don't have to estimate a discount rate), and it's how PE tends to track our business. For instance, if our business is currently producing a 9.0% levered IRR on a PE owner's original investment, I want new projects to be in excess of that in order to be accretive to their yield. There's some nuance behind why that is so important in my little niche of the world, but IRR definitely reigns supreme. Of course, your analysis would typically include a discussion of NPVs as well with sensitivity provided around the discount rate. I tend not to use a corporate WACC or ROE as my discount rate, because I like the analytical rigor that goes into supplying a different discount rate for each project based on its own individual risk factors.
We should have one mammoth thread on valuation. Having worked in a number of different areas of finance now (both institutional and corporate), it's interesting to think back on and discuss how your views are refined as your knowledge broadens.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 9:06 am to RedStickBR
Taking Financial Accounting and Corporate Finance starting Monday. Going to be a long two years
Posted on 1/6/18 at 10:27 am to RedStickBR
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We should have one mammoth thread on valuation. Having worked in a number of different areas of finance now (both institutional and corporate), it's interesting to think back on and discuss how your views are refined as your knowledge broadens.
That would be awesome. I just wrapped up internship interviews - one of the firms did the Tesla/Solar City valuation and I got a bunch of questions about it. Would love to learn more from everyone here
Posted on 1/6/18 at 9:30 pm to RedStickBR
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tend not to use a corporate WACC or ROE as my discount rate, because I like the analytical rigor that goes into supplying a different discount rate for each project based on its own individual risk factors.
Why don't you just use RAROC?
Posted on 1/7/18 at 12:09 pm to RedStickBR
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We should have one mammoth thread on valuation. Having worked in a number of different areas of finance now (both institutional and corporate), it's interesting to think back on and discuss how your views are refined as your knowledge broadens.
Might be a good idea.
I remember during my brief PE days, there was a thread from Nov 2013 where someone was asking about how to value Tile Ship Holdings ( LINK), which had just closed at $22.12/share on 11/1/2013. (It last closed at $10.00/share on 1/5/2018.)
I started to take a stab at outlining the general universe of business valuation techniques...
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Here's the Wikipedia entry on business valuation: LINK.
Here's the Wikipedia entry on stock valuation: LINK.
Here's the Wikipedia entry on DuPont analysis: LINK.
Here's the Wikipedia entry on the First Chicago method:
LINK.
Here's the corporate webpage where you will find annual and quarterly financial reports by TTS: LINK.
But now that I'm a little more experienced, I see how sprawling this subject is. There are so many specialized ways to value things in certain niche industries that you've never heard of before. There are so many different corners in finance that you've never heard of before.
Those Wikipedia entries are so much more built up than they were 4.5 years ago. Google "valuation wikipedia" these days, and you'll get not only "valuation (finance)", "business valuation", and "stock valuation", but also: brand valuation; valuation using multiples; bond valuation; relative valuation; paper valuation; real estate appraisal; pre-money valuation; art valuation; etc.
It all depends on what your particular interests are, but I tend to think that the PE/VC valuation questions are the most interesting.
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