If you think penalties are what cost us that game, you don't understand football. Obviously, the penalties are a reasonable criticism of the head coach...but we're having a bigger conversation right now, I think.

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lose by any number to Troy fricking state?

We shouldn't have lost to Troy fricking state. But, if you are going to point a finger at WHY we lost, the biggest factor would have been the OL...which in addition to being below average was also beat up and didn't have Weathersby. It was so worrisome that Orgeron thought the young OL couldn't handle the shifts and changed everything up. Now, THAT decision is very reasonable to criticize. But, again, I think we are having a bigger discussion.

It's impossible to watch these games and not see that the OL is getting beaten consistently and the root of most of our offensive problems. The only way you come to the conclusion that the OL is "not that bad" is to ignore what you are actually seeing, and make some general comment about how we "shouldn't be that bad". You basically have to ignore what's self evident.

And, it's fricking stupid to do that. Because, it lessens the legitimate criticism of Orgeron as a head coach.

The OL is a huge problem and it's not really Orgeron's fault.

The attrition isn't really Orgeron's fault either. That's the cost of making a change at HC. You don't fire a HC with no fallout. It's not reasonable to blame Orgeron for that.

The staff Orgeron put together? Yup. The coaching decision he's making? Yup. His resume? Yup. His inability to effectively communicate? Yup. The lack of respect he commands from his assistants? Yup. The inability to keep Alleva out of the program? Yup. His inabilty to instill confidence in the program? Yup.

HIS ABILITY TO RECRUIT AND SELL THE PROGRAM TO THE NEXT GROUP OF HIGH SCHOOL PLAYERS? That's the big question. If he can't do that, every second he is head coach kills us.

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Posted by abellsujr

New England

Member since Apr 2014

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Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:01 pm to moneyg

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HIS ABILITY TO RECRUIT AND SELL THE PROGRAM TO THE NEXT GROUP OF HIGH SCHOOL PLAYERS? That's the big question. If he can't do that, every second he is head coach kills us.

I agree with this and there is cause for concern.

This little CEO setup is already showing signs of falling apart on the field. Recruiting is a little negative right now. If it doesn't improve, we're in some deep shite.

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Posted by lsu2006

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Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:05 pm to moneyg

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If you think penalties are what cost us that game

They were certainly a factor. There's isn't 1 thing that generally costs a team a game.

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It was so worrisome that Orgeron thought the young OL couldn't handle the shifts and changed everything up. Now, THAT decision is very reasonable to criticize.

Agreed

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The staff Orgeron put together? Yup. The coaching decision he's making?

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The lack of respect he commands from his assistants? Yup.

Could these not also be factors in getting destroyed by or getting beaten by inferior opponents? If the staff and players aren't on the same page, it often won't matter if you have superior athletes. I think the lack of identity and cohesiveness is a huge factor in why we've played so poorly. And don't take this to mean I'm implying we don't have issues up front. We do. But there is really nothing you can say to me to convince me that we don't have the horses to beat State and Troy with a competent gameplan and with everyone being on the same page.

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