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re: Hillary thinks 1984 is about the importance of trusting politicians and the media
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:20 am to ShortyRob
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:20 am to ShortyRob
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"Attempting to define reality is a core feature of authoritarianism," the former secretary of state wrote in her new book, "What Happened." "This is what the Soviets did when they erased political dissidents from historical photos. This is what happens in George Orwell's classic novel Nineteen Eighty-Four when a torturer holds up four fingers and delivers electric shocks until his prisoner sees five fingers as ordered," she added.
So she opens the paragraph like this, clearly stating that defining reality and undermining objectivity is a "core feature" of authoritarian systems/leaders like the Soviets and the
government of Oceana in 1984. Clearly not an endorsement of unchecked government authority. She then, accurately but somewhat clumsily, goes on to point out that destroying alternative sources of information or authority, which could serve as a credible check to State power (in this case the Office of the President), is critical to this effort. And that includes delegitimizing institutions such as:
1. Media - Check
2. Polls (that you don't like) - Check
3. SMEs in a variety of fields from diplomacy and arms to science and medicine - Check
4. Other government leaders to include Congressional leadership, senior career officials, and one's own appointed leaders (McConnell, Ryan, McCain, DoS, The IC, the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General, etc) - Check
She's not arguing that the message of 1984 is to trust media and the government. She's saying that the story illustrates the importance totalitarian states place on abasing all competing centers of moral, intellectual, or actual authority. The idea that "I and my inner circle are the only ones you can trust" is classic totalitarian inception. Not saying Trump is actually IRL pursuing dictatorial authority, because he frankly doesn't know what to do with the powers he already has. But his entire public narrative fits that to a letter. Good thing most aren't buying this particular brand.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:24 am to Navytiger74
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Navytiger74
Bravo, good sir.
That is some championship-level spin.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:37 am to Navytiger74
She doesn't actually claim Orwell's 1984 novel says anything. She simply uses an explanation from the book to explain authoritarianism. She uses an example from 1984 intentionally in order to make people compare, subconsciously, the bad guys to her political opponents.
Not really ground breaking stuff as political opponents have been paralleled with 1984s authoritarian regime almost as much as Hitler's Germany.
Not really ground breaking stuff as political opponents have been paralleled with 1984s authoritarian regime almost as much as Hitler's Germany.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 8:38 am
Posted on 9/13/17 at 9:13 am to Navytiger74
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She's saying that the story illustrates the importance totalitarian states place on abasing all competing centers of moral, intellectual, or actual authority.
while our system has most of those things tied up in partisan propaganda for one side (her side)
she's arguing for totalitarianism, just indirectly and while making it sound good (b/c her side is not corrupt or pure, comrade)
Posted on 9/13/17 at 11:35 am to Navytiger74
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Navytiger74
I would quote the part of your response to me that was nonsense but the whole thing was nonsense
You liberals can't stop projecting
I'm happy though because it's always good when my political opponents refuse to learn
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