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re: Marco Rubio on Net Neutrality: ‘This Is a Solution in Search of a Problem’

Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:20 pm to
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28738 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:20 pm to
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Yes. I'm consistent.
Consistently wrong isn't something to be proud of.
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They don't.
Pretty sure I send my ISP money every month. Where does it go?
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Netflix traffic has far more economic value than Ted Smith's Krackpot Konspiracy Blog. By definition NN demands that the ISP's pricing does NOT reflect that difference in value.
Why should the ISPs pricing reflect that difference in value? Should FedEx charge me more for shipping a pound of gold vs. a brick? Better yet, should FedEx open my fricking package to decide what to charge me? And then decide whether to also charge the receiver based on what it is I'm sending?
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Not exactly. In most cases they aren't the same provider. And both ends of the transaction have value. One is access and one is delivery.
Yeah, I know how the shite works. I pay on my end, Netflix pays on their end. Everybody gets paid for their services. So why the frick are you suggesting that Netflix should have to pay to "load" AND "offload" the data, when I'm already paying my ISP to offload it?
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Why does Walmart get a markup?
Why are you asking silly questions?
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In most cases the products on their shelves are there because the vendor paid for the shelf space. Shouldn't they deliver Kraft mac-and-cheese for the same price they pay for it, since Kraft already paid to put it on the shelf?
Maybe they do? Maybe Walmart sells Kraft mac-and-cheese below cost? Who fricking cares? How is this relevant?

An ISP isn't a storefront like Walmart. An ISP is the road that takes you to the storefront. My ISP has a toll booth in my driveway, and Walmart's ISP has a toll booth in their parking lot. That's fine. I pay for access to the road, and Walmart pays for access to customers. Walmart absorbs the cost of their toll booth and passes those on to consumers. That's fine. I pay my ISP to get on the road, I get to Walmart and pay the prices offered for their products. That's all fine. But what's NOT fine is if I get back home with my groceries, my ISP inspects my car and charges me extra fees for the things I bought at Walmart. Or, possibly worse, if my ISP goes to Walmart to extract the money from them for the things I already bought.

So tell me, what would you call it if there was someone who inspected the things you buy, and then that person goes to the suppliers of these things and demanded fees in exchange for allowing you to continue buying from these suppliers? You would probably call it extortion.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:35 pm to
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Consistently wrong isn't something to be proud of.
Your presumption of being "wrong" is your own issue.

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Pretty sure I send my ISP money every month. Where does it go?
You're paying your ISP different rates for Netflix and Billy Bob's Konsipracy Blog? I thought that was illegal.

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Why should the ISPs pricing reflect that difference in value?
Because it's the basis of a free market.

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Should FedEx charge me more for shipping a pound of gold vs. a brick?
If customers are willing to pay for it... sure. Why not?

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So why the frick are you suggesting that Netflix should have to pay to "load" AND "offload" the data, when I'm already paying my ISP to offload it?
Ok. Stop paying Netflix and see if you can still offload their content. Stop paying your ISP and see if you can offload their content. Both are part of the delivery of the content. One gets paid for it. The other does not.

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Why are you asking silly questions?
Simply asking why it's wrong for ISPs to use the same business model Walmart (and almost every other retailer) use.

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An ISP is the road that takes you to the storefront. My ISP has a toll booth in my driveway, and Walmart's ISP has a toll booth in their parking lot. That's fine.

Let's run with this toll booth analogy. Say you owned a toll road. One customer makes $10,000,000 per year in profit, and floods the road with delivery vehicles to the point you have to add lanes to keep the road passable. And there's Tommy, who owns a single motorcycle and only travels the road to visit his grandma once a month. Would you charge both customers the exact same toll? Does your road have the same economic value to the delivery company's customers as it does to grandma?

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So tell me, what would you call it if there was someone who inspected the things you buy
Walmarks knows exactly what you buy. If you think ISPs don't log their traffic. I don't know what to say.

This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 12:36 pm
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