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re: Marco Rubio on Net Neutrality: ‘This Is a Solution in Search of a Problem’
Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:20 pm to Taxing Authority
Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:20 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:Consistently wrong isn't something to be proud of.
Yes. I'm consistent.
quote:Pretty sure I send my ISP money every month. Where does it go?
They don't.
quote:Why should the ISPs pricing reflect that difference in value? Should FedEx charge me more for shipping a pound of gold vs. a brick? Better yet, should FedEx open my fricking package to decide what to charge me? And then decide whether to also charge the receiver based on what it is I'm sending?
Netflix traffic has far more economic value than Ted Smith's Krackpot Konspiracy Blog. By definition NN demands that the ISP's pricing does NOT reflect that difference in value.
quote:Yeah, I know how the shite works. I pay on my end, Netflix pays on their end. Everybody gets paid for their services. So why the frick are you suggesting that Netflix should have to pay to "load" AND "offload" the data, when I'm already paying my ISP to offload it?
Not exactly. In most cases they aren't the same provider. And both ends of the transaction have value. One is access and one is delivery.
quote:Why are you asking silly questions?
Why does Walmart get a markup?
quote:Maybe they do? Maybe Walmart sells Kraft mac-and-cheese below cost? Who fricking cares? How is this relevant?
In most cases the products on their shelves are there because the vendor paid for the shelf space. Shouldn't they deliver Kraft mac-and-cheese for the same price they pay for it, since Kraft already paid to put it on the shelf?
An ISP isn't a storefront like Walmart. An ISP is the road that takes you to the storefront. My ISP has a toll booth in my driveway, and Walmart's ISP has a toll booth in their parking lot. That's fine. I pay for access to the road, and Walmart pays for access to customers. Walmart absorbs the cost of their toll booth and passes those on to consumers. That's fine. I pay my ISP to get on the road, I get to Walmart and pay the prices offered for their products. That's all fine. But what's NOT fine is if I get back home with my groceries, my ISP inspects my car and charges me extra fees for the things I bought at Walmart. Or, possibly worse, if my ISP goes to Walmart to extract the money from them for the things I already bought.
So tell me, what would you call it if there was someone who inspected the things you buy, and then that person goes to the suppliers of these things and demanded fees in exchange for allowing you to continue buying from these suppliers? You would probably call it extortion.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:35 pm to Korkstand
quote:Your presumption of being "wrong" is your own issue.
Consistently wrong isn't something to be proud of.
quote:You're paying your ISP different rates for Netflix and Billy Bob's Konsipracy Blog? I thought that was illegal.
Pretty sure I send my ISP money every month. Where does it go?
quote:Because it's the basis of a free market.
Why should the ISPs pricing reflect that difference in value?
quote:If customers are willing to pay for it... sure. Why not?
Should FedEx charge me more for shipping a pound of gold vs. a brick?
quote:Ok. Stop paying Netflix and see if you can still offload their content. Stop paying your ISP and see if you can offload their content. Both are part of the delivery of the content. One gets paid for it. The other does not.
So why the frick are you suggesting that Netflix should have to pay to "load" AND "offload" the data, when I'm already paying my ISP to offload it?
quote:Simply asking why it's wrong for ISPs to use the same business model Walmart (and almost every other retailer) use.
Why are you asking silly questions?
quote:Let's run with this toll booth analogy. Say you owned a toll road. One customer makes $10,000,000 per year in profit, and floods the road with delivery vehicles to the point you have to add lanes to keep the road passable. And there's Tommy, who owns a single motorcycle and only travels the road to visit his grandma once a month. Would you charge both customers the exact same toll? Does your road have the same economic value to the delivery company's customers as it does to grandma?
An ISP is the road that takes you to the storefront. My ISP has a toll booth in my driveway, and Walmart's ISP has a toll booth in their parking lot. That's fine.
quote:Walmarks knows exactly what you buy. If you think ISPs don't log their traffic. I don't know what to say.
So tell me, what would you call it if there was someone who inspected the things you buy
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 12:36 pm
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