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My main point in asking was to see if you thought the hook grip could be trained to improve. If you think it can, then I don't see how you could also think it erases the use of the muscles that a DOHG would use

I didn't say it would negate the muscles. I was saying that you still need grip strength in hook grip but not as much comparatively to a DONH because your thumb is taking away from the motion of the bar and not creating a longer moment arm and it is applying an opposing force to the bar.

I'll give some examples with arbitrary numbers.

Ex 1) You are using DONH.
450 lbs on the bar
If the bar magically doesn't rotate and you are holding the bar, you are exerting 450 lbs of force against the bar to keep it static.

Ex 2) You are using DONH.
450lbs on the bar
If the bar starts to slip and goes 2" (will be much less) along your fingers from rolling, you are now having to exert 900 lbs of force to keep it static.

Ex 3) You are using hook grip.
450 lbs on the bar
Bar does not slip due to the thumb preventing motion. Since there is no motion, you are exerting 450lbs of force to keep it static.

This post was edited on 6/19/17 at 3:40 pm

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Posted by Lester Earl

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Posted on 6/19/17 at 3:58 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu

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If the bar starts to slip and goes 2" (will be much less) along your fingers from rolling, you are now having to exert 900 lbs of force to keep it static.

right, but that is contingent on the bar actually slipping. Which A)is unsafe, and B)prevents you from the overall goal of completing the lift.

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was saying that you still need grip strength in hook grip but not as much comparatively to a DONH because your thumb is taking away from the motion of the bar and not creating a longer moment arm and it is applying an opposing force to the bar.

I dont disagree with you that DONH is tougher but i think you might be over thinking it a bit. That isnt what I was arguing, however. Maybe I just misread, but it seemed to me like you were alluding that the hook grip is not as beneficial to building strength as the DONH.

I think that the hook grip is equally as beneficial as the DONH in terms of building grip strength. Yes, I think the DONH will fail first. But comparing both with full grips on the bar are near equal from my experiences, both personal and watching others.

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