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re: I have zero respect for anyone who is a Muslim and doesn't stand up to this BS
Posted on 6/3/17 at 9:54 pm to MrCarton
Posted on 6/3/17 at 9:54 pm to MrCarton
I am loving my new house we are leasing here. Beautiful place. And I may actually retire here. Went by MacDill to in-process the clinic and file my partial DITY. Very nice installation. AF always does good on installations. Maybe I can find a GS job there when all is said and done. Even though we have a house in Fayetteville (out towards Raeford), I have no love for the place.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 9:56 pm to MrCarton
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Interestingly, when some Muslim does say something in condemnation, errbody turns into a fricking Islam scholar and be like "taquitos, can't trust em!"
Taquitos are the favorite move of Shia and Druze, and for that reason alone, the Salafis won't use it. Interestingly enough, the Salafis say you can't trust Shia because of the use of Taquito alone. It's a very weird thing.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 9:56 pm to Jbird
Yup. Was a kick in the gonads because we really liked SATX. And one of my first tasks is to plan the promotion ceremony for the incoming DCG.
Damn if that does not hurt
Damn if that does not hurt
Posted on 6/3/17 at 9:57 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:I'm a big fan of you, but your point sucks big time. It isn't false equivalence because it's all a hypothetical. It's a word problem. Be creative if you don't like "Christian" there. Literally any demonym works here. "Christian" is, for all intents and purposes, irrelevant. I only used it because almost all of us here come from Christian backgrounds.
Again, you create a mythical creature. Where is this violent Christian? When and where has be struck? If you said violent person I would agree wholeheartedly. But you chose to make this about Christianity versus Islam.
False. Equivalence.
Aside from all that, the idea that there aren't violent Christians is factually untrue, and I won't argue with you about that. If you need to double down on that, then that's your business, not mine.
Nevertheless, the point stands. The violent Muslim and the violent non-Muslim belong in prison. The peaceful Muslim and peaceful non-Muslim belong wherever they please.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of this board will gladly have the peaceful Muslim treated differently from gen-pop. We all know why. Saying it will get me banned by snowflakes, so I won't.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 9:57 pm to crazy4lsu
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Luckily Western leaders have been more judicious with respect to their own Islamic populations, which cuts off the source of their propaganda.
It's working wonders in Western Europe.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 9:58 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:Ouch.
And one of my first tasks is to plan the promotion ceremony for the incoming DCG.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 9:59 pm to crazy4lsu
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It's like poking a bear to see if it will attack you, and then using that reaction to justify poking it in the first place.
Except in this instance, the bear is already attacking you, and your choice is to do nothing so other bears don't get pissed off.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:01 pm to Sentrius
quote:Typical leftist tactic from an atypical source. I've done nothing more than defend the innocent against the charges of the actions of others. You take the leap from that and accuse me of defending pedophilia, slavery, sexism, homophobia, and bestiality.
Pretty sick how it keeps defending people who practice a violent cult that calls itself a religion that values pedohilia, slavery, anti-women cruelty, brutality against homosexuals, bestality against innocent animals.
Dumb dumb dumb.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:02 pm to cssamerican
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a Muslim is commanded to kill non believers by Allah.
just so we are clear, let me first say that i am a SECULAR HUMANIST and don't support ANY religion... IMO, they all are equally terrible.... but:
A careful and unbiased study of these and other verses, in their proper context, will reveal that the exhortations to fight “idolaters” and “unbelievers” are specific in nature and are not general injunctions for the murder of all those who refuse to accept Islam as their way of life.
Among the most often cited verses is this one: “Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them, and blockade them, and watch for them at every lookout...” (Quran 9:5).
According to Islamic belief, the Quran was “revealed” to Muhammad in a process of dialog with the Divine, and some parts of the Quran refer to specific situations, while other parts offer universal spiritual principles. To understand this passage, we must take into account the historical circumstances at the time of its revelation.
The “idolaters” (Arabic: mushrikeen) were those Meccan “pagans” who had declared war against Muhammad and his community. The Meccan oligarchs fought against the Prophet’s message from the very beginning. When they realized that the flow of converts to Islam was increasing, they resorted to violent oppression and torture of the Prophet and his followers. The Prophet himself survived several assassination attempts, and it became so dangerous for the Muslims in Mecca that Muhammad sent some of his companions who lacked tribal protection to take asylum in the Christian kingdom of Abyssinia. After 13 years of violence, he himself was compelled to take refuge in the city of Medina, and even then the Meccans did not relent in their hostilities. Eventually, various hostile Arab tribes joined in the fight against the Muslims, culminating in the Battle of the Trench, when 10,000 soldiers from many Arab tribes gathered to wipe out the Muslim community once and for all. As we know, the Muslims survived these challenges and eventually went on to establish a vast civilization.
At the time Verse 9:5 was revealed, Muhammad and his followers had begun to establish themselves securely. They had returned triumphantly to Mecca without violence, most Meccans themselves had become Muslims, and many of the surrounding pagan Arab tribes had also accepted Islam and sent delegations to the Prophet pledging their allegiance to him. Those that did not establish peace with the Muslims were the bitterest of enemies, and it was against these remaining hostile forces that the verse commands the Prophet to fight.
The verses that come immediately before 9:5 state, “Those with whom you have treaties are immune from attack.” It further states, “Fulfill your treaties with them to the end of their term, for God loves the conscientious.” Now, in its proper context, verse 9:5 can be properly understood.
This was a guidance to the Prophet at that specific time to fight those idolaters who, as 9:4 mentions, violated their treaty obligations and helped others fight against the Muslims. It is not a general command to attack all non-Muslims, and it has never signified this to the overwhelming majority of Muslims throughout history. Had it been so, then every year, after the “sacred months are past,” (The “sacred months” are four months out of the year during which fighting is not allowed) history would have witnessed Muslims attacking every non-Muslim in sight. This yearly slaughter never occurred. Though the present verse is only one example, none of the Quranic verses that mention fighting justify aggression nor propose attacking anyone because of their religious beliefs. Nor were forced conversions recognized as valid under Islamic law.
This post was edited on 6/3/17 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:02 pm to ballscaster
quote:We completely agree on this point. I watched a documentary yesterday called "The Jihadis Next Door" (it was filmed in England in 2014) and was shocked at the number of times devout Muslims confronted and literally fought with street preaching Islamists who were (obstensibly) recruiting for ISIS. Definitely changed my mind about how the average Muslim views violent Islamists.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of this board will gladly have the peaceful Muslim treated differently from gen-pop.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:03 pm to chickenpotpie
These attacks are defined by asymmetry and they destroy notions of Western peace and security that developed in the post-Cold War world. That is why they are effective. The attacks are random and relatively small scale.
And you miss the point of the description. They want to use an overreaction as a post hoc defense for why they were doing what they did in the first place. If Islamism becomes defined as the ideology that pushes back against a response from the West that could be labeled as "aggression," then Islamism becomes enshrined and even more popular.
My suggestion is not to give any quarter to Islamists, as well as figure out a way of dealing with the fact they have a large base of alienated men to recruit from. It has to be multifaceted.
And you miss the point of the description. They want to use an overreaction as a post hoc defense for why they were doing what they did in the first place. If Islamism becomes defined as the ideology that pushes back against a response from the West that could be labeled as "aggression," then Islamism becomes enshrined and even more popular.
My suggestion is not to give any quarter to Islamists, as well as figure out a way of dealing with the fact they have a large base of alienated men to recruit from. It has to be multifaceted.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:05 pm to crazy4lsu
What you are referring to is exactly what the documentary "The Jihadis Next Door" shows. It was the exact tactic they described and used.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:06 pm to Wolfhound45
I haven't seen the doc but I'm well aware of their technique. It's a masterful use of propaganda. But the Islamic world is prone to conspiracy as well which aids the propaganda machine.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:07 pm to ballscaster
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On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being your neighbor Bill, and 10 being Yaser Abdel Said, how suspicious would you be of a cab driver named Farooq?
If it's anything more than 1, then you're, objectively speaking, misguided and ignorant.
On a scale of 1 to 10, if you're walking down a street in the ghetto at 3am and 5 guys dressed in gang colors are approaching you, how concerned would you be about your safety?
If it's anything more than 1, then you're, objectively speaking, misguided and ignorant.
Your argument is dumb. Choosing to ignore statistical probabilities so you can feel self-righteous is willfully choosing stupidity over common sense.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:17 pm to chRxis
You didn't learn that from cable news, so this board will disregard.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:19 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:You're open to learning new things; so am I, and that's why I'm a fan. Most of this board? Not so much. "Set in their ways" is the nice way to put it.
shocked at the number of times devout Muslims confronted and literally fought with street preaching Islamists who were (obstensibly) recruiting for ISIS. Definitely changed my mind about how the average Muslim views violent Islamists.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:20 pm to crazy4lsu
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And you miss the point of the description. They want to use an overreaction as a post hoc defense for why they were doing what they did in the first place. If Islamism becomes defined as the ideology that pushes back against a response from the West that could be labeled as "aggression," then Islamism becomes enshrined and even more popular.
My suggestion is not to give any quarter to Islamists, as well as figure out a way of dealing with the fact they have a large base of alienated men to recruit from. It has to be multifaceted.
this dude get's it....
Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:22 pm to chickenpotpie
quote:Depends on what city I'm in, but slightly more than 1, I'd say, and that comes from personal experience.
On a scale of 1 to 10, if you're walking down a street in the ghetto at 3am and 5 guys dressed in gang colors are approaching you, how concerned would you be about your safety?
Speaking of personal experience, if those were Muslims looking Muslimy, it would be a 1. And that's coming from a decade of living among them. The neighborhood votes Republican, too, which is good since frick Democrats.
I think your mistake—and most of this board's mistake—is that you have this crazy idea that you know what you're talking about because of what you see on tv and read on the sites you choose on the internet. You don't. I do—I've known countless Muslims personally. Your tv is lying to you. Don't buy the gold coins in the commercials.
This post was edited on 6/3/17 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:22 pm to ballscaster
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post is longer than a Trump tweet, so this board will disregard.
more like it...
Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:23 pm to ballscaster
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ballscaster
Honest question ('s) for you.
Why do you care about muslims and what a muslim thinks? What's at stake for you with wanting to allow those no good savages into America? You're a piece of shite if you're more worried about muslims rather than worry about the well being and safety of Americans and this country! If you and the rest of the retarded liberals care so much about those no good bastards, why don't you carry ALL of your sorry, weak asses over to the middle east and start doing mission work to civilize those animals? GFY you no good lying piece of shite! This is America. If you don't like it then GTFO of here.
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