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re: Is there a secular argument against abortions?

Posted on 5/4/17 at 4:34 pm to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 4:34 pm to
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I think the Bible is a great piece of literature. You take primitive to mean something it doesn't mean. That doesn't mean it holds any objectivity. It gets quite a bit wrong to coincide with all of that insight. Insight from the minds of men.
Again, if the Bible does provide the truth as revealed by God, then yes, it could and would hold objectivity because the human authors are irrelevant if guarded by God as to not provide error. If you want to talk about errors, you can start that thread that I asked about previously. You seem concerned with showing how the Bible isn't trustworthy so please demonstrate it.

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Sure, but that's irrelevant.
Your claims aren't relevant because you don't substantiate them. Not even that, you don't even provide anything concrete in your claims. You've resorted to the absurdity of using "I don't know" as a philosophical defense of your worldview because you think it's a clever refutation of the claim of God.

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Right, and in that case, my basis is just as likely to be correct. You cannot rationally accept one possibility without accepting the other.
Not all claims hold the same weight. You have to provide a reason for why "I don't know" should be acceptable to me or to anyone else and you haven't done that. I have provided a rational explanation of how an objective morality can exist in my worldview but you haven't provided a rational explanation of how objective morality can exist in yours.

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It certainly is. You don't like it, but that's not important.
It's not relevant because you haven't offered up anything. You haven't put together a thought and presented a rational reason for why it should be accepted. You have just declared that no reason at all holds the same weight as the existence of an objective law giver in God, which philosophers throughout history have wrestled with due to question of morality. You are being trite with a serious topic. If you'd like me to give you the last word and end this farce, let me know, because you have left the realm of serious discussion.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 4:47 pm to
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If you want to talk about errors, you can start that thread that I asked about previously.


I already invited you to do so. I'm not starting it because I'm not the one with a position to defend.

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Not even that, you don't even provide anything concrete in your claims.


Neither do you. Again, that's the whole point of this.

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Not all claims hold the same weight.


They do when they can be equally proven.

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It's not relevant because you haven't offered up anything.




Sure I have. Your god cannot give objective morality any more than anything else based on what we know.
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