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re: Is there a secular argument against abortions?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:40 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:40 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Are you that stupid that you do not understand "Ending a pregnancy as a matter of convenience"?
If you're too thick headed to understand that point just move past my post. I don't have time for your liberal "I'm smarter than you" bullshite.
If you're too thick headed to understand that point just move past my post. I don't have time for your liberal "I'm smarter than you" bullshite.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 8:41 am
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:43 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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Yes, that it's morally reprehensible.
Exactly. As someone once said, abortion is the intersection of irresponsibility, ignorance, and selfishness.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:44 am to AustinTigr
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abortion is the intersection of irresponsibility, ignorance, and selfishness.
Not bad
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:46 am to Snipe
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Are you that stupid that you do not understand "Ending a pregnancy as a matter of convenience"?
Well, you keep referring specifically to a fetus. I'm left with two options. Either you're making a specific argument, or you don't completely understand the position you've taken.
It appears to be the latter. No big deal.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:46 am to Revelator
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In the welfare nanny state that we live in and will be living in for the foreseeable future, if you take morality out of the equation, is it not cheaper for taxpayers to pay for a one time abortion than to pay for food, education, welfare, Medicaid, prison, drug rehab, etc. for all of these unwanted babies born to unfit parents?
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If we are going to take morality out of it, why not simply kill all those on welfare too?!
Easy, Revelator. You're going to overload the Liberal mind with logic. Liberals accuse Conservatives of having a 'Morality Test', when time and time again they simply define what they consider moral and immoral.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:27 am to AustinTigr
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Liberals accuse Conservatives of having a 'Morality Test', when time and time again they simply define what they consider moral and immora
Heck, if morality is out of the equation, maybe kill everyone except the Aryians?!
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:28 am to Blob Fish
the question of when human life begins is not religious. you may form your opinion on it based off your beliefs, but its very scientific
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:41 am to Revelator
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Heck, if morality is out of the equation, maybe kill everyone except the Aryians?!
Morality isn't a singular determining factor in the legality of killing people.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:42 am to Blob Fish
The protection of human life is a basic function of government.
Does the mere passing through a birth canal bestow the rights of liberty and freedom that out government is suppose to protect?
Human rights begin in the womb and the mother has no more or no less rights than does the child.
Does the mere passing through a birth canal bestow the rights of liberty and freedom that out government is suppose to protect?
Human rights begin in the womb and the mother has no more or no less rights than does the child.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:48 am to Blob Fish
I always find it interesting that so many people are against both abortions, and when they don't happen, the subsequent welfare queens/Kings.
Generally speaking when people don't have abortions (but want/need to financially) their kids end up on public assistance.
Generally speaking when people don't have abortions (but want/need to financially) their kids end up on public assistance.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 10:00 am
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:49 am to I B Freeman
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Human rights begin in the womb and the mother has no more or no less rights than does the child.
At what point?
I agree, there is a point that the fetus and the mother have equal rights. It certainly isn't at conception or birth.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:51 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Morality isn't a singular determining factor in the legality of killing people.
I didn't say it was. I'm simply saying if making moral choices isn't a factor, anything goes.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:55 am to Revelator
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I didn't say it was. I'm simply saying if making moral choices isn't a factor, anything goes.
Right, and I'm saying that isn't correct. There are numerous other factors that removes your "anything goes" assertion.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:55 am to NYNolaguy1
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Generally speaking when people don't have abortions their kids end up on public assistance.
What????? So all non aborted humans end up on public assistance?! You do understand that all people alive were non aborted right?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:56 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Right, and I'm saying that isn't correct. There are numerous other factors that removes your "anything goes" assertion.
Well list all of those factors that are at play that don't have a moral element.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:58 am to Revelator
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What????? So all non aborted humans end up on public assistance?! You do understand that all people alive were non aborted right?
I think you misunderstood me.
Generally speaking abortions happen to babies whose parents can't afford to have them for one reason or another, and who suck money from the system.
By outlawing these abortions you are statistically adding people to future govt assistance rolls.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 10:00 am
Posted on 5/4/17 at 10:00 am to NYNolaguy1
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By outlawing these abortions you are statistically adding people to future govt assistance rolls.
Single parent households add many people to welfare roles as well. Maybe we should encourage marriages huh?
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 10:01 am
Posted on 5/4/17 at 10:05 am to Revelator
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Single parent households add many people to welfare roles as well.
How many would be single parent households if they had abortions?
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Maybe we should encourage marriages huh?
Marriage is a dead institution. You're better off arguing a two parent household than marriage.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 10:05 am to Revelator
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Well list all of those factors that are at play that don't have a moral element.
I've already dont that.
It isn't about whether or not there is a moral element to each factor. It's about whether a moral element is a requirement.
The easiest and first example, while maybe not the best, is the maxim of reciprocity. There is inherently no moral specification necessary.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 10:08 am to Blob Fish
Well just going by "secular" arguments, if it's alright to abort unborn babies on the basis They are unwanted and will be a "burden" society is better off not having to deal with, then it's OK to kill anyone for the same reasons. Guess where that line of reason leads a society. I'll give you a few hints...
That's what happens when it becomes socially and legally acceptable to dispose of those deemed "unwanted".
No thank you.
That's what happens when it becomes socially and legally acceptable to dispose of those deemed "unwanted".
No thank you.
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