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re: LSU softball batting anaylsis by player
Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:37 am to LSUAshlyn
Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:37 am to LSUAshlyn
I was just starting to enjoy this thread until it turned into the Nicki Dawson love fest again.
Let's get back on topic:
GRIGGS all she has done for us over the last 3 years now is play almost every single game since she walked on campus. She has hit 300 or better every year I think. Made freshman all SEC and from what I can read has made 2 errors in 3 years. Made team USA 2 years in a row
My take is that she needs to be faster than she is. Seems to have slowed down since freshman year. Needs to power slap like she did her freshman year. She came out of a great program and was one of the top recruits in the country. Do I think she is great, no, but I can't see why we complain about her, people tell me there is a bias against her
LANDRY. What is there to say about a kid that many colleges didn't even look at. She has hit at an amazing level since her freshman year. For 4 years she has done nothing but produce at the plate. She is an AA and made team USA. She isn't the greatest OF defensively, but anyone in the country would take her offense and look past her defense. I believe defensively she is above average, but at the plate she is in a class above most
JAQUISH. 4 years of her has done exactly what everyone thought it would do for a program. She is on the verge of setting all new offensive records she has played multiple positions and has had many key hits. She is also an AA and plays for her national team. My take is easy...everyone in the country knew this kid was a no brainer. Her issues have to do with her own selfishness sometimes, and she is nowhere near the best catcher in the country. However, she is way above average and her offense makes up for the little that she is missing behind the plate
Doyle from what I see, she is everything that people said she was. She was a solid corner with power and great offense potential. So far so good. Comes out of a top organization was highly recruited, made team USA Jr. National team. I like what she has given us thus far.
SPRINGFIELD has done better than most have thought she would have done this early. She wasn't a major recruit throughout the country, but she is proving some of those rankings wrong so far. I like what I see on the field and really admire her hustle.
**THE 2 PLAYERS ABOVE ARE FRESHMAN AND WE HAVE NOT STARTED SEC PLAY, LOT OF THINGS CHANGE WHEN OTHER SCHOOLS HAVE A BOOK ON YOU*
SANCHEZ. a player that most gave up on last year. Not knowing she battles a illness that didn't allow her to be herself last year. She is now playing the way most recruiting rankings had her performing. She also plays for her National team. I am not surprised at the way she is playing, we'll maybe a little surprised how good her transition from second to third has been
SERRETT. As good of defensive shortstop as there is in college ball. Yes her hitting struggled a little last year at the end, but I think if she finds her swing that she had most of her life (like she has now) I think she is going to be a pleasant surprise for us this year.
That brings us to 2 positions. LF and 2B
I am not as big on Andrew's as the rest of you. Yes she can run, but she get horrible.reads on balls..hence the reason she dives so much. She has a below average arm, with no accuracy and has a lot to learn on how to play the game. Offensively she is almost the easiest out in the lineup. Nobody is afraid of her hitting the ball in the outfield...so come SEC time..if she is in there, you will see some pretty crazy defensive positioning when she is up. Tap slapping or soft slapping is a one dimensional offensive thing...it doesn't cut it in the SEC. I would put Thornhill in left. She is going to make contact, going to make her Pl as in left, and if we need a.pinch runner for her speed...there are plenty of options on the bench with speed
2b. I won't be a person that sits here and defends Connie on her game. I like the rest of you have watched for 4 years her not get any better at the plate. I blame our hitting coach for that. However, constance brings something to this team...some energy or something. She is a leader on this team and maybe that's why she gets the starting nod.
I won't even address the Dawson situation...but let's just say, I would never EVER put her in the elite players class coming out of high school. I can't be too wrong, as she wasn't even considered a big recruit. No invites to Jr National team. Good athlete and great speed..I just don't see the greatness everyone talks about. Would love to be proven wrong
Let's get back on topic:
GRIGGS all she has done for us over the last 3 years now is play almost every single game since she walked on campus. She has hit 300 or better every year I think. Made freshman all SEC and from what I can read has made 2 errors in 3 years. Made team USA 2 years in a row
My take is that she needs to be faster than she is. Seems to have slowed down since freshman year. Needs to power slap like she did her freshman year. She came out of a great program and was one of the top recruits in the country. Do I think she is great, no, but I can't see why we complain about her, people tell me there is a bias against her
LANDRY. What is there to say about a kid that many colleges didn't even look at. She has hit at an amazing level since her freshman year. For 4 years she has done nothing but produce at the plate. She is an AA and made team USA. She isn't the greatest OF defensively, but anyone in the country would take her offense and look past her defense. I believe defensively she is above average, but at the plate she is in a class above most
JAQUISH. 4 years of her has done exactly what everyone thought it would do for a program. She is on the verge of setting all new offensive records she has played multiple positions and has had many key hits. She is also an AA and plays for her national team. My take is easy...everyone in the country knew this kid was a no brainer. Her issues have to do with her own selfishness sometimes, and she is nowhere near the best catcher in the country. However, she is way above average and her offense makes up for the little that she is missing behind the plate
Doyle from what I see, she is everything that people said she was. She was a solid corner with power and great offense potential. So far so good. Comes out of a top organization was highly recruited, made team USA Jr. National team. I like what she has given us thus far.
SPRINGFIELD has done better than most have thought she would have done this early. She wasn't a major recruit throughout the country, but she is proving some of those rankings wrong so far. I like what I see on the field and really admire her hustle.
**THE 2 PLAYERS ABOVE ARE FRESHMAN AND WE HAVE NOT STARTED SEC PLAY, LOT OF THINGS CHANGE WHEN OTHER SCHOOLS HAVE A BOOK ON YOU*
SANCHEZ. a player that most gave up on last year. Not knowing she battles a illness that didn't allow her to be herself last year. She is now playing the way most recruiting rankings had her performing. She also plays for her National team. I am not surprised at the way she is playing, we'll maybe a little surprised how good her transition from second to third has been
SERRETT. As good of defensive shortstop as there is in college ball. Yes her hitting struggled a little last year at the end, but I think if she finds her swing that she had most of her life (like she has now) I think she is going to be a pleasant surprise for us this year.
That brings us to 2 positions. LF and 2B
I am not as big on Andrew's as the rest of you. Yes she can run, but she get horrible.reads on balls..hence the reason she dives so much. She has a below average arm, with no accuracy and has a lot to learn on how to play the game. Offensively she is almost the easiest out in the lineup. Nobody is afraid of her hitting the ball in the outfield...so come SEC time..if she is in there, you will see some pretty crazy defensive positioning when she is up. Tap slapping or soft slapping is a one dimensional offensive thing...it doesn't cut it in the SEC. I would put Thornhill in left. She is going to make contact, going to make her Pl as in left, and if we need a.pinch runner for her speed...there are plenty of options on the bench with speed
2b. I won't be a person that sits here and defends Connie on her game. I like the rest of you have watched for 4 years her not get any better at the plate. I blame our hitting coach for that. However, constance brings something to this team...some energy or something. She is a leader on this team and maybe that's why she gets the starting nod.
I won't even address the Dawson situation...but let's just say, I would never EVER put her in the elite players class coming out of high school. I can't be too wrong, as she wasn't even considered a big recruit. No invites to Jr National team. Good athlete and great speed..I just don't see the greatness everyone talks about. Would love to be proven wrong
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 1:19 pm to Bayou Bum
ok i am going to get slammed for what i am about to say, but I am really big on technique and mechanics.
Dont get mad, now.....
One of the reasons Dawson is not at second base is that she does not have good throwing mechanics. She has no wrist-flick, when they were warming up, unless she was playing around, I could not believe how poorly she throws..
Connie is a much, much more natural softball player than Dawson is. Dawson can pick up a ground ball as good as anyone, and she can move over in front of a ball faster than anyone else, but her arm is a liability. True, that's something that was deduced from pre-game warm ups, but if you know throwing mechanics, you know she is suffering there. thats an opinion. Maybe she was just playing around. she has no overhand throw that most ball players usually have. Most go 3/4 overhand than then sidearm when they have to, but she all sidearm, and doesnt seem to use her wrist when she throws. i bet that is the reason we dont see her out there.
I am sure she can hit, bunt, slap, hit for power.... but i think Beth has Connie out there because she is a more natural player, and bad mechanics usually does a person in eventually.
Someone laid blame on the batting coach for Connie's hitting. I don't "blame" him, but i would definitely step in and make changes if i were he.
Look at ULL and Oklahoma. Watch their hitters. Their batting coach's philosophy is visible, watch them when they step up to bat and take a few swings, watch ULL they all do the same thing.
Oklahoma's hitters all elevate themselves and you can see they've been worked with.
Sorry i had to slam Nicky, i dont have anything against her.. she seems to be a good kid with a good attitude. I just think Beth sees Quinn as more a natural second baseman with a better arm. No offense intended.
Dont get mad, now.....
One of the reasons Dawson is not at second base is that she does not have good throwing mechanics. She has no wrist-flick, when they were warming up, unless she was playing around, I could not believe how poorly she throws..
Connie is a much, much more natural softball player than Dawson is. Dawson can pick up a ground ball as good as anyone, and she can move over in front of a ball faster than anyone else, but her arm is a liability. True, that's something that was deduced from pre-game warm ups, but if you know throwing mechanics, you know she is suffering there. thats an opinion. Maybe she was just playing around. she has no overhand throw that most ball players usually have. Most go 3/4 overhand than then sidearm when they have to, but she all sidearm, and doesnt seem to use her wrist when she throws. i bet that is the reason we dont see her out there.
I am sure she can hit, bunt, slap, hit for power.... but i think Beth has Connie out there because she is a more natural player, and bad mechanics usually does a person in eventually.
Someone laid blame on the batting coach for Connie's hitting. I don't "blame" him, but i would definitely step in and make changes if i were he.
Look at ULL and Oklahoma. Watch their hitters. Their batting coach's philosophy is visible, watch them when they step up to bat and take a few swings, watch ULL they all do the same thing.
Oklahoma's hitters all elevate themselves and you can see they've been worked with.
Sorry i had to slam Nicky, i dont have anything against her.. she seems to be a good kid with a good attitude. I just think Beth sees Quinn as more a natural second baseman with a better arm. No offense intended.
This post was edited on 3/2/17 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 3/2/17 at 7:42 pm to Bayou Bum
Good post Bayou Bum. We actually agree on 95% of it.
Forget Dawson, this was the basis of the debate. Don't pick and choose analogies made to rebut certain points (more on that later). The question is, why not give a young, high ceiling player, like Sanchez or Cunningham if you don't like Dawson's abilites, these reps when the program simply is not getting better at this one position? It's a legitimate critique.
This is just silly. She was a top 5 national middle infielder by Flo Softball, Top 30 overall player and a National Player of the Year and Consensus 1st team All American. She was the NFCA Golden Shoe Award Winner as the nation's top base stealer in the USA for all high school's. There is only one of these in all of high school softball per year.
Break her down all you want, maybe she will be a bust but to say she was not an elite pre-college player can't be defended.
Anyway, keep up the good debate. I always appreciate anyone's honest perspective.
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2b. I won't be a person that sits here and defends Connie on her game. I like the rest of you have watched for 4 years her not get any better at the plate.
Forget Dawson, this was the basis of the debate. Don't pick and choose analogies made to rebut certain points (more on that later). The question is, why not give a young, high ceiling player, like Sanchez or Cunningham if you don't like Dawson's abilites, these reps when the program simply is not getting better at this one position? It's a legitimate critique.
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I would never EVER put her in the elite players class coming out of high school.
This is just silly. She was a top 5 national middle infielder by Flo Softball, Top 30 overall player and a National Player of the Year and Consensus 1st team All American. She was the NFCA Golden Shoe Award Winner as the nation's top base stealer in the USA for all high school's. There is only one of these in all of high school softball per year.
Break her down all you want, maybe she will be a bust but to say she was not an elite pre-college player can't be defended.
Anyway, keep up the good debate. I always appreciate anyone's honest perspective.
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