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re: What fascinates you concerning WW2?
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:42 pm to X123F45
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:42 pm to X123F45
It was the last conventional war between super powers.
All the biggest (Western) names were involved. Good vs evil. But technology was both advanced and limited enough to where it was likely the last total war between relative, prestigious equals.
The nuke, while involved only in the final days, changed everything. Drones, etc, have changed everything. War has become much more complicated since, and the stakes much higher, such that we'll likely never see a war as horrific as WWII again without being the end of the world.
Every war since has been proxy in nature. Super powers use their weapons against 3rd and 2nd world foes. We have to fight in that way because we both have a loaded gun to eachothers heads.
All the biggest (Western) names were involved. Good vs evil. But technology was both advanced and limited enough to where it was likely the last total war between relative, prestigious equals.
The nuke, while involved only in the final days, changed everything. Drones, etc, have changed everything. War has become much more complicated since, and the stakes much higher, such that we'll likely never see a war as horrific as WWII again without being the end of the world.
Every war since has been proxy in nature. Super powers use their weapons against 3rd and 2nd world foes. We have to fight in that way because we both have a loaded gun to eachothers heads.
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 12:44 pm
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:43 pm to X123F45
That there was even a WWII; should have eradicated the Nazis in WWI. The world fricked up big time.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:44 pm to X123F45
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What fascinates you concerning WW2?
Hitler's rise from a vagabond to literally Hitler.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:46 pm to Wtodd
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should have eradicated the Nazis in WWI.
Not sure if serious. Nazi party wasn't formed until after WWI
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:55 pm to X123F45
I was fortunate that while growing up, I was surrounded by World War II veterans. My grandfather was in the USAAF, my grandmother was a WAC; four great uncles served - one Army, one Marine, and two USAAF. A family friend served on the U.S.S. North Carolina; a neighbor on the U.S.S. Mississippi; another neighbor drove Shermans in Italy, France, and Germany. On my wife's side, her grandfather was in the Australian Army in New Guinea, and a great-uncle in the RAAF. They all shared their stories with me and they all fascinated me. I've been reading books about World War II for as long as I can remember.
The usual things interest me: The rise of Nazi Germany, the Battle of Britain, the Blitz; Europes general shitty year of 1940, Pearl Harbor, D-Day, history of the 8th Air Force, etc. I'm interested in anything and everything about World War II.
The usual things interest me: The rise of Nazi Germany, the Battle of Britain, the Blitz; Europes general shitty year of 1940, Pearl Harbor, D-Day, history of the 8th Air Force, etc. I'm interested in anything and everything about World War II.
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:56 pm to WHS
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"Rise of the Third Reich" and "Fall of the Third Reich"
Those are both intense and well-done documentaries...colorizing so much of the film was a game-changer
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:56 pm to colorchangintiger
OK the basis of what became the Nazis......happy now?
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:56 pm to drockw1
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Those are both intense and well-done documentaries...colorizing so much of the film was a game-changer
WWII in color is mesmerizing.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:59 pm to TheCaterpillar
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WWII in color is mesmerizing.
There was a 3-hour marathon of that series on a few nights ago.
Also extremely well produced, though with a British slant
Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:00 pm to Wtodd
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That there was even a WWII; should have eradicated the Nazis in WWI. The world fricked up big time.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:03 pm to Wtodd
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OK the basis of what became the Nazis......happy now?
Still doesn't make sense.
We absolutely destroyed Germany with the Treaty of Versailles. Gutted their country and imploded their economy.
The Nazi party actually arose largely due to how bad of condition we left the country. They were burning their money because it was more valuable as fire wood than currency.
The Nazi movement happened a good bit after everyone left Germany.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:07 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Still doesn't make sense. We absolutely destroyed Germany with the Treaty of Versailles. Gutted their country and imploded their economy. The Nazi party actually arose largely due to how bad of condition we left the country. They were burning their money because it was more valuable as fire wood than currency. The Nazi movement happened a good bit after everyone left Germany.
Exactly. History records that the Nazi Party was born in Bavaria around 1919-1920. Truth be told though the Nazi Party was born in the Hall of Mirrors in Versailles in 1918-1919.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:29 pm to LongueCarabine
The sheer numbers of Russians casualties is what fascinates me. They just kept throwing bodies into the fight. Sending boys to battle with no weapon, knowing that there would be plenty to pick up from their dead comrades.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:53 pm to TheCaterpillar
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First, little man syndrome does not come close to meaning the same thing as "Pathetic loser wannabe.
"Yeah!, that and pathetic loser wannabe"
Notice the conjunction "and". Conjunction, from the Latin conjunctio, meaning to conjoin two clause or ideas, so I'm not following your claim that I'm equating anything.
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Second, I have literally never heard an historian insinuate that he is a "loser wannabe". I've had history professors from all walks of life and backgrounds teach me about WW2 and that has never been a prevailing idea. He is always portrayed as brilliant and ruthless, yet overconfident and delusional in his later years.
To claim that you never heard the most negative adjectives attached to Hitler from historians, whether face to face or any other medium, and that he was just a brilliant but overextended man sounds a little disingenuous my friend.
Hell! You even tried to advance a theory that Hitler had micro-penis.
I've heard all the theories about Hitler's sexual deviances and his colossal flatulence etc., and you know as well I that this just a desperate attempt to put the worst face on a truly evil man that we otherwise find fascinating.
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He has a classic dejection syndrome
Interesting theory, no doubt crafted and motivated by an intense interest in Hitler. I do thank you for serendipitously making my original point for me.
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:05 pm to Napoleon
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Limiting critical media, creating cults of personality. The things you need to watch out for to make sure never happen again
Hmmm.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:06 pm to X123F45
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What fascinates you concerning WW2?
Where the attack dogs came from when you earned a 7 kill streak
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:07 pm to X123F45
I'm still fascinated that Germany attacked Russia and Japan attached the US. WTF were they thinking? WTH was thier endgame? 
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:15 pm to TheCaterpillar
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We absolutely destroyed Germany with the Treaty of Versailles. Gutted their country and imploded their economy.
We did not. If I'm not mistaken, Woodrow Wilson actually wanted the British and the French to give the Germans a (relatively) light punishment. But the Europeans weren't having it.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:26 pm to TheCaterpillar
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However, its not like homosexuality caused him to be a monster.
I wouldn't argue that it did, but I also wouldn't dismiss it.
A lot of people today struggle to accept that they are homosexuals and will do some extreme stuff in order to cover it up or suppress their feelings. It is quite possible that Hitler condemned social outcasts such as Jews, Gypsies, Gays, etc. as a way to make himself feel better along his political career. It could be that he was insecure about who he really was and the only way to make himself feel better was through "bully" tactics on those he felt were inferior.
There is also the fact that two of his "lovers" killed themselves and two others attempted suicide but failed (Let's also not forget that one of his lovers was his niece). What could Hitler have done in order to drive them to such extreme measures. It has long been rumored he was into some very kinky stuff (2 girls one cup type of stuff). Either he had a very disturbing fetish, or the guy was willing to try anything to like women.
His self-abasement approach to relationships is one that should certainly be studied. His sexual kinks could have been a symptom of his frustration with his sexual orientation and coming to terms with it.
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:32 pm to Amadeo
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To claim that you never heard the most negative adjectives attached to Hitler from historians, whether face to face or any other medium, and that he was just a brilliant but overextended man sounds a little disingenuous my friend
I've never heard anyone, historian or otherwise, refer to Hitler as a loser wannabe until this thread. What do you mean by that? While I guess you could technically call him a loser for losing the war, I'm not sure that becoming one of the most powerful men in the world would qualify someone as a loser. Was he a Napoleon or Genghis Kahn wannabe?
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