re: Reuters:Mexico will not accept new US immigration policies

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Not yet, they don't

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You really dont know anything then if this is what you are claiming

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Yes, most of whom have been here for longer than 10 years.

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So we've been housing illegals for more than 10 years and subsidizing their existence and lifestyles with social programs? Sounds like a great reason to get them out and prevent others from coming in illegally. We have a process for immigration and they should follow it.

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Maybe Mexico doesn't really want them to leave Mexico.

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Then why wouldn't they be in full support of making it harder for their people to leave and come to the US illegally? I would assume if they wanted people to stay, they would be in support of a border wall.

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I dunno, maybe by shooting their residents dead across the border? That's one way at least. Threatening them that they are going to pay for a wall that we want?

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I don't support murder but if someone is going rogue and shooting an unarmed person for attempting to cross the border, that sounds like a problem that both countries need to address. If it was murder and not self defense, then the person who pulled the trigger will be tried for it. If it was self defense, then that is something Mexico needs to address.

If Mexico wants to keep their people home, why wouldn't they be supportive of the wall? If they are supportive, why would we need to threaten to make them pay for it? They aren't supportive because they don't want the wall and they don't care about keeping their people in Mexico. They are pissed that we are exposing their abuse of our generosity and our unwillingness to secure our borders and they are upset that we are fighting back when they had a free ticket on the gravy train for so long. That, however, is not threatening their sovereignty in any way. We aren't telling them how to run their country. We are telling them how we plan on running ours, and that means locking down our borders.

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Yes, we are. We've been telling them for years to shore up their southern border, and now that they have begun to, we're going to remove their incentive to do so. That doesn't make sense to me.

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We only cared about their southern border because we were tolerant of their porous northern border for so long. It was a way for our country to feign strength on immigration without actually doing anything of substance on the topic. If Mexico didn't like that, they could have told us to pound sand like they're trying to do now with the shared border. They have strict immigration policies outside of the southern wall that they have, so it has nothing to do with what we wanted from them. They act in their best interests and it's not in their best interest to crack down on illegal immigration from Mexico to the US. We are telling them now that we are going to protect our country. We aren't forcing them to build their own wall.

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My point wasn't that they would start with that, but that that would be their response to us overplaying our hand.

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They are welcome to attempt it, then. With a wall in place, the buses won't get very far. If they happened to start such a program before we could adequately secure our border, it would just result in an escalation that would hamper trade between them and us.

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Not much, Mexico isn't a destination for labor.

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There's a lot of money to be made in the drug business. Who knows why anyone from South America would want to stop in Mexico but clearly Mexico was concerned enough about it to implement strict immigration laws.

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Not yet, they don't. I think a lot of you are exaggerating problems that may already exist, but have the potential to get FAR worse if their state completely collapses.

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That may be why the Mexican government wants to keep open borders. It will get worse for them if the supply to the US is greatly reduced. The drug money helps grease the wheels that keep those doors open so if the government is seen as ineffective, changes will be forced by the cartels so maximize their profits. We shouldn't keep our borders open because Mexico can't control the cartels.

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Now you're actually starting to address the solution to the problem. The solution isn't a wall, the solution to this economic problem is an economic one. Ruining economic relations with Mexico would exacerbate the problem, not ameliorate it.

Devastating the Mexican economy, and having their government collapse into a true narco-terrorist dictatorship is NOT in our best interests. It's just that it sounds tough to talk like that and everyone wants to think of themselves as some sort of tough guys - well, not everyone, just the insecure ones.

There are better ways to deal with Mexico than crashing their state.

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Of course I know that the root of the issue is the economy of Mexico, but that will only be as good as the leaders in that country trying to make it better for the people. They have had an open door to the US for years and they have reaped a lot of financial rewards because of it. Instead of trying to turn the 3rd world pit into a 2nd or 1st world country, they have sat back and let the US provide the jobs and the welfare.

If they aren't willing to make their country better, why should be continue the status quo, especially at the expense of our own citizens and our own safety? While we play nice with Mexico with letting them come across for the cheap labor, we open ourselves up to enemies from other countries who want to take advantage of the easy access to hurt us from within. That's not something we should risk so that we can be the sugar daddy to Mexico.

If they want us to help, they should be serious about it and understand their position in this relationship. They need us. We don't need them. We have a mutually beneficial relationship but we need to make sure our border is secure regardless of that relationship. We can work out other deals as needed but we have to put our foot down on the border. They could have agreed to help us police it but they didn't want to. It's our country that they are entering and we should have a say on who comes here. That's what sovereignty is; control over our country. They can control who goes there and we should control who comes here.