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re: The Coach Orgeron Vision/Plan
Posted on 12/16/16 at 7:30 am to THECEO
Posted on 12/16/16 at 7:30 am to THECEO
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Coach Orgeron knows his leverage and his strengths.
His leverage/strengths are his Louisiana/Cajun heritage,
Where else besides this section of Louisiana is this considered a "strength". We are not fielding a team of players from Cutoff and Boothville-Venice.
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Coach O knows that his way to succeed in his dream job is to take a decidedly CEO-style approach, and to obtain and empower great coordinators and position coaches, while he recruits, organizes, addresses the media as the LSU football figure head
arse-backwards way of doing things. Usually, you impart your coaching brand on a team and as you get up in age, you "become" a figurehead as an earned right.
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As time moves on, he could evolve to that level of a coach and persona
Really? How? By giving inspirational speeches while the more talented coaches X and O LSU to championships?
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Anyone who is not pleased with the staff he has assembled is trammeled to a poor attitude, or does not appreciate how hard it is to get such a staff onboard.
How hard is it to hire a staff that was already assembled? What particular amount of genius did it take to pay Aranda (a Les hire) his $? How difficult was it to make a list of 4 "hot shot" OCs and overpay one of them? You don't mention that CEO damn near cost LSU 2 QBs with that ridiculous offer to the hawaiian QB, or that allowing himself to be used by his "friend" Kiffin actually did cost us a QB.
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He took a salary which facilitated salary margin to get such a great staff.
NO NO NO! He was mercifully given $3.5 mil...the market dictated he be given less. What other school was prepared to a) hire him as HC and b) give him anything approaching $3.5 mil? Take the blinders off and look at reality. Kiffin is the hotshot OC of what will be a back-to-back Bama squad and is universally praised as the reason for its current success...and he is coaching at FAU...for $1 mil...and he is vastly more important to a school than O.
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He knows that most big time programs are a rotating door at the OC and DC positions, so he will be assembling a constant list of candidates for when Aranda and Canada get their mid-major HC opportunity
THIS is one of the biggest reasons NOT to hire a "figurehead". Yes OCs and DCs leave, but a team should carry the same philosophy as the HC on whatever side of the ball the HC excels in. If you don't excel on any side of the ball then you're just constantly hiring coaches hoping they do as well as the last coach. That's a ridiculous way to run a program. And what do you tell your recruits about this revolving 2 year door with your OC and DC when they ask who their coach is going to be? Don't worry, I have a binder?
I understand getting behind a coach b/c he's not going anywhere, but just b/c you pour syrup on sh!t don't make it pancakes. This coaching hire was supposed to be about ONE THING...BEATING BAMA! Either you believe hiring CEO gets you to that point or you don't. But if you're telling me that we hired him to rah rah and give motivational speeches, I'm not too pleased. And I would really hope at some point his "recruiting" prowess would stop being kicked up to mythical proportions. We were a top 5 recruiting powerhouse for years before him and I'm not sure of one recruit he delivered that we would NOT have otherwise gotten. Can he just be a damn good recruiter and not this legend we believe him to be? Deliver the kid LSU has no business getting and then we can start cannonizing him for his recruiting prowess.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 8:11 am to iluvbrokli
Breathe. Slowly. Deep breaths. Better? Good. Now let's address your points.
Remind me again-- In what state is LSU located?
Not true. Some of the greatest leaders in history of business, military and even coaching employ this very style.
You may want to ask the programs who lost coaches to other schools. LSU poached not one but two great coordinators from other programs. One may ask how hard is it to keep a staff together? Even your own example of Kiffin leaving Bama helps prove this point.
Your final argument is that Coach O does not excel on either side of the ball. Therefore he cannot he cannot be successful when a coordinator leaves, as will happen at every program. Two glaring deficiencies with that argument: (1) your premise is not correct. Just bc O has not been a coordinator does not mean he is without knowledge. Nor does it mean he does not excel on one side, the other or both; and (2) Coach O has already shown an ability to keep a great D.C. and recruit another OC to come here. I read where Canada turned down many other power 5 OC offers. He must have been really impressed with O and LSU to come here.
It's a bit early to have a beer. So just relax and be happy for the upward direction LSU seems to be moving. Oh and one last thing-- GEAUX TIGERS,
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Where else besides this section of Louisiana is this considered a "strength".
Remind me again-- In what state is LSU located?
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arse-backwards way of doing things.
Not true. Some of the greatest leaders in history of business, military and even coaching employ this very style.
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How hard is it to hire a staff that was already assembled?
You may want to ask the programs who lost coaches to other schools. LSU poached not one but two great coordinators from other programs. One may ask how hard is it to keep a staff together? Even your own example of Kiffin leaving Bama helps prove this point.
Your final argument is that Coach O does not excel on either side of the ball. Therefore he cannot he cannot be successful when a coordinator leaves, as will happen at every program. Two glaring deficiencies with that argument: (1) your premise is not correct. Just bc O has not been a coordinator does not mean he is without knowledge. Nor does it mean he does not excel on one side, the other or both; and (2) Coach O has already shown an ability to keep a great D.C. and recruit another OC to come here. I read where Canada turned down many other power 5 OC offers. He must have been really impressed with O and LSU to come here.
It's a bit early to have a beer. So just relax and be happy for the upward direction LSU seems to be moving. Oh and one last thing-- GEAUX TIGERS,
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