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If you were the AD here and bungled your legacy and the future of LSU by failing to hire Herman, the man who whipped Saban, Fisher, Stoops, and Petrino, you would be just as big a fool as Alleva is. If we had hired Herman/Applewhite and reunited him with Aranda, who thinks he is the finest offensive mind in the FBS, this place would be buzzing with energy and hype. Instead we are bottom feeding and full of uncertainty and have recruits leaving rather than fighting to get in. Herman fit the Bertram model: young, smart, young kids, great family, and for certain he could have built a dynasty to crush and outlast Saban. Herman on the cost of winning: "In order to pay the price, you've got to be willing to invest. Guess what? There's prices for nine-win seasons. There's prices for eight-win seasons and seven-win seasons and six-win seasons. Those prices are a lot easier to pay. And if you're satisfied with going 7-5 and going to the Poulan Weedeater Bowl, you're in the wrong program. We are into building championships here."

That's great and everything but he wanted the Texas job. We do not have Texas money, no one does really. If Texas was and is his dream job and they wanted him as well, the best thing to do is move on. It would have hurt us more to get in a bidding war with Texas over Herman because we would have lost that war and been holding our dicks at the end. You think some recruits are jumping ship now? Yeah add on another month of not even having a head coach in place.

The next option was Fisher. Do you think Fisher was worth 7.5 million+ a year plus a gigantic buyout? I don't, but to each his own.

The next guy could have been PJ Fleck. Sure he's done great at his current job, but he's still an unknown running a big time program.

No, Orgeron would not have been my first choice, but it's not like there are a ton of proven winners waiting around for HC jobs. They already have them.

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Posted by jimmy the leg

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Posted on 12/12/16 at 4:55 pm to lsufball19

It's wasn't as though Aleva wanted Miles at the end of last season. What was he going to do, tell F King and Jindal to frick off? Those are his bosses (directly and indirectly). He ate a big pile of shite and was the fall guy. Is he a good AD, not in my book. That being said, blame him for what he actually controlled. As for Herman- that was a pipe dream. He was UT all the way. Jimbo- that was a steep price. It may have been worth it. After last year though, I don't think he was leaving FSU. Fleck...small potatoes but may have been worth it. Give me Canada or another good OC and I am more than willing to go three years and see what happens.

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Posted by Quid Pro Quo

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Posted on 12/12/16 at 5:17 pm to lsufball19

Herman’s agent, Trace Armstrong, works at the same firm that Sexton does.

Armstrong said that LSU could sign Herman for $6 million a year, much less than LSU discussed paying Fisher.

Alleva, who already offered 5+ mm, got mad and "cowardly withdrew his offer in the middle of the night" and hired O.

Herman signed with Texas for $5 million per year. The scout Alleva paid to recommend a coach said Herman was THE MUST-GET. Herman said that the LSU job was a better one than Texas. All we needed was an Emmert or Bertman to step in and say “pay the man”.

They’re both with CAA Sports, who also represents Nick Saban and Urban Meyer, among lots of others.

So the failed ~7 mm offer to Fisher plus huge housing allowance detailed in a headline NOLA story and the Media was already known by Herman when Alleva came calling with "you are our 1st choice".

Bottom line: It is Alleva's sole job to hire the best offensive-minded Coach he could.

He bungled a Legacy Hire, a surefire Dynasty, just like LSU did by not paying Saban 4 million.

He lied straight up to Herman saying he was the #1 choice and gave him an ultimatum and a discounted offer. Very Impressive - Piss down his back and tell him it is raining.

Herman said "oh really, I was #1 " (and that 6.8 mm offer to Fisher was just NOLA headline misprint).

Negotiation 101 - A) Don't lie,

B) Don't give ultimatums to the person you are trying to convince that LSU is the best place for him and his family, professionally and personally: SELL LSU over Tejas

C) Pretend you are Emmert or Bertman

D) You are playing with house money, so stay in the game until the end

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