I'm not debating whether regulations exist. So far you argument looks like this:

You: We need regulations to protect businesses from other businesses.

Me: Ok, please demonstrate an example of a regulation protecting businesses in this manner

You: Pollutant discharge limits are regulated.

Brilliant argument so far. Really supporting your case here. The way you have taken me step by step from the problem through the development of a regulation to the final result is fascinating.

you: Pollutant discharge limits are regulated.

I might write a pro-regulation newsletter with just that one line on every page.

Questions to the editor: Mr. Carton,

How do regulations work? Do they achieve their desired endstate effectively?

Mr Carton: Pollutant discharge limits are regulated.

Reader: oh, thanks for clearing that up.

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It's in the public commons. Regulations keep them available to EVERYONE, including businesses.

Ahhh yes, here I see the actual root of the problem. The ORIGINAL regulation that hath caused the problem to begin with.

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violating others' property is already illegal?

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Oh, I see, you think regulations aren't laws.

You are entering dangerously close to "retard" zone. I see that you haven't even come close to breaking the seal on an actual position, so I guess I can expect you to intentionally mischaracterize mine.

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I'm not saying we have to regulate the shite out of everything

I never said you did. You told me some regulations are Necessary, then you accused me of being trite. You haven't put forth any support for your position other than stating that regulations exist and that they work.

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Trite: (of a remark, opinion, or idea) overused and consequently of little import; lacking originality or freshness.

Hrmmm.

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No, but, "Who owns the river?"

For those who supports regulations, this is an unavoidable question and it actually forms the crux of your strongest argument. Glad to see your grasp of this subject is so weak that you find your best argument ridiculous.

I will also note that I told you beforehand that we would not agree on this and it isn't worth your time.

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Posted by WildTchoupitoulas

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Posted on 12/1/16 at 5:15 pm to MrCarton

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I told you beforehand that we would not agree

You did, you just didn't tell me you'd be dishonest:

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You: Pollutant discharge limits are regulated.

Brilliant argument so far. Really supporting your case here. The way you have taken me step by step from the problem through the development of a regulation to the final result is fascinating.

That wasn't what I said. Here is the quote:

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One plant is operating on a river, using the water from it in their process.

One day a plant opens up shop next door and begins discharging substances that inhibit the process of the downstream plant.

...or, in fact, diverts ALL of the water upstream of the original plant to use in their process, and don't discharge any back to the river, leaving none for use by downstream plants.

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How do regulations work? Do they achieve their desired endstate effectively?

Mr Carton: Pollutant discharge limits are regulated.

You didn't ask how they worked, you asked for an example of how one could work.

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You are entering dangerously close to "retard" zone.

Sorry, I didn't mean to invade your personal space.

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"Who owns the river?"

For those who supports regulations, this is an unavoidable question and it actually forms the crux of your strongest argument

Much of the surface water in the US in held in public trust. That's how it is now. That's not a regulation, that's based in common law.

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Glad to see your grasp of this subject is so weak that you find your best argument ridiculous.

Suppose all waters were held privately, don't you think there would be laws protecting owners of the water? These would actually be in the form of regulations. Public commons is not necessary for my position. I'm sorry you are just so blind and closed minded that all you have is attempted ridicule.

What you extreme Libertarians don't realize is how much you come across like Utopian Socialists. NEWSFLASH: You'll never get to your Utopia, try to deal with the real world. Also, berating people will never win them over to see your position, and without any support, your just farting in the wind.

Good luck with you flatulence problem. Try Beano.

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