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re: Does anyone else find Godfather II just a little hard to follow?

Posted on 11/18/16 at 12:55 pm to
Posted by Udvarnoky
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Posted on 11/18/16 at 12:55 pm to
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The Rosatto Brothers (with the backing of Hyman Roth) had no intention of killing Pentangeli. They needed him alive for Michael's hearing. They had to make it LOOK like they are trying to kill on Michael's orders, hence the reason why one of them yelled out "Michael says hello". At that moment, Pentageli believed it was Mike.



The Senate hearing wasn't a consideration that early on in the story. And your interpretation doesn't jive with the fact that the hit was interrupted by a cop, resulting in a body count. Was that orchestrated too?

My conclusion is that the hit was meant to be real - Roth consented to allow the Rosato Brothers to get Frank out of their hair (he in essence admits to this in the famous "I didn't ask who gave the order" scene). That Roth was able to use Frank's survival - and his belief that Michael was responsible - to his advantage later on, doesn't validate the idea that it was some ultra complicated pool shot he plotted from the start.

The problem is that "Michael Corleone says hello!" line. It apparently wasn't in the script, but an improvised line by the actor, which Coppola liked. The flaw of the scene is that it makes the audience wonder whether or not the hit was real, and I don't think that ambiguity was intentional, and it's certainly not welcome in a movie with 15 running plot threads.
This post was edited on 11/18/16 at 1:23 pm
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:09 pm to
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The problem is that "Michael Corleone says hello!" line. It apparently wasn't in the script, but an improvised line by the actor, which Coppola liked.


I've heard this argument before, but has Coppola said that the line conflicted with his plot? If not, it seems that the line fit, so it's origins with Danny Aiello really don't matter. Coppola thought that it fit well enough with his plans and left it in.
Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Posted on 11/18/16 at 9:19 pm to
Correct, had the cop not interrupted Frankie would've been strangled to death. When he survived, Roth, who wanted Frankie dead, uses that to try and get Frankie to rat on Michael. The "micheal corleone" line doesn't matter if Frankie actually dies.

Michael brings in Frankie's brother to the hearing to shut him up. That's when Frankie changes his story.

Then Tom goes to visit Frankie and explains about in the old times and the family being taken care of, etc. Basically telling Frankie that if he kills himself they'll protect his family and his interests or implying that if he doesn't they'll kill him and frick his family up.
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