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re: Thousands of former Cali National Guardsmen forced to repay enlistment bonuses
Posted on 10/22/16 at 8:19 pm to GetCocky11
Posted on 10/22/16 at 8:19 pm to GetCocky11
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Well, that is a load of crap.
They applied for benefits that you receive immediately but is contingent upon you qualifying for the benefit to be fully awarded......these people did not qualify for the "free money" they received.
It's like the GOV handing out money to flood victims who claimed to be flood victims, and then later it's determined "your house didn't flood".....and then their claim is "you shouldn't haven't believed me and given me money"?
and because they are military who LIED for free money...you just want them to have it?
Posted on 10/22/16 at 8:37 pm to Kujo
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and because they are military who LIED for free money...you just want them to have it?
^ That (on an individual soldier level) does not agree with this:
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Army Master Sgt. Toni Jaffe, the California Guard’s incentive manager, pleaded guilty in 2011 to filing false claims of $15.2 million and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison. Three officers also pleaded guilty to fraud and were put on probation after paying restitution.
Or this:
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“It was a real sea change in how business was done,” said Col. Michael S. Piazzoni, a California Guard official in Sacramento who oversaw the audits. “The system paid everybody up front, and then we spent the next five years figuring out if they were eligible.”
Posted on 10/22/16 at 9:56 pm to Kujo
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and because they are military who LIED for free money...you just want them to have it?
Somebody didn't read the article...
Posted on 10/23/16 at 12:00 am to Kujo
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and because they are military who LIED for free money...you just want them to have it?
You obviously didn't read the article.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 5:31 am to Kujo
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It's like the GOV handing out money to flood victims who claimed to be flood victims, and then later it's determined "your house didn't flood".....and then their claim is "you shouldn't haven't believed me and given me money"?
No it isn't.
It's closer to you talking to the FEMA rep who has your case file and is telling you that you qualify for X, Y, and Z and pushing your paperwork through when you don't qualify.
There are some who lied, but that was the recruiters and personnel managers whose jobs revolved around people enlisted/reenlisting.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 8:29 am to Kujo
All of you rock heads saying "they got money they weren't entitled to" do not know how recruiting works. The Army, in the form of recruiters promised these recruits x amount of money to enlist during the height of the war, whether California national guard had that money to give is in no way the recruits fault as they have no authority. They agreed to their contract in part because of the bonus, they upheld their end of the deal which in-fact qualified them for the money they received. That's how enlistment/re-enlistmeht bonuses work. It's not there fault the green suitor representing the army didn't have the money to give.
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