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Les, Cam, Brandon
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:10 pm
I know that this isn't going to be a refreshing topic but I wanted to give it some time to sit back and gather thoughts instead of making spontaneous, irrational comments.
Since most of my real life friends are more NFL fans than college football I figured I would post this on here to gain some perspective from LSU fans who can talk in depth about LSU football.
My take on the passing game woes and where to lay the blame:
Les Miles - 50%:
When you are the head man in charge you have ultimate say in offensive scheme (maybe not always play calling but scheme) therefore you need to make sure you recruit and develop the best qb to fit your scheme. You also have the ultimate say in recruiting. It has been proven that you need a pocket passing QB in your scheme (I use this term to denote a quarterback whose best qualities are his throwing skills).
Cam Cameron - 30%
The reason you do not get more blame is because it is not entirely your fault that Les has not fired you and I also would not be passing up millions of dollars if I were you. Your blame lies in development and somewhat recruiting. You are not equipped to develop a dual threat QB. Partly because dual threat QBs are not your cup of tea historically. Partly because Miles' scheme is not dual threat friendly. Partly because you are not a modern college football offensive coordinator. You are a traditional vertical passing NFL offensive coordinator. A modern offensive coordinator who can get your best athletes in space and be a little creative is needed at LSU if we are going to continue to recruit dual threat QBs. College football is vastly different from the NFL because spread systems will work in college due to the talent gap all over the field. In the NFL the talent gap to win one on one matchups is much closer.
Brandon Harris - 20%
"It's not your fault. It's my fault. I never should have recruited you" - Skip Bertman
This quote applies to Brandon Harris, Anthony Jennings, etc. It is not a coincidence that we get these highly rated dual threat QBs and they do not pan out here. We do not have the necessary development and/or scheme for dual threat QBs to exceed here. But Brandon you still need to look like a somewhat competent D1 QB. I believe that it is more of a confidence issue with him rather than ability issue. But that ship has sailed so it does not matter.
TLDR: Bring gifted pocket passers to LSU and our offense will thrive. Or fire Cam and Les and bring in a modern offensive minded head coach or coordinator and we can continue to recruit dual threat QBs.
Just want to be able to talk some LSU football with knowledgeable fans. So thoughts on my opinion?
Since most of my real life friends are more NFL fans than college football I figured I would post this on here to gain some perspective from LSU fans who can talk in depth about LSU football.
My take on the passing game woes and where to lay the blame:
Les Miles - 50%:
When you are the head man in charge you have ultimate say in offensive scheme (maybe not always play calling but scheme) therefore you need to make sure you recruit and develop the best qb to fit your scheme. You also have the ultimate say in recruiting. It has been proven that you need a pocket passing QB in your scheme (I use this term to denote a quarterback whose best qualities are his throwing skills).
Cam Cameron - 30%
The reason you do not get more blame is because it is not entirely your fault that Les has not fired you and I also would not be passing up millions of dollars if I were you. Your blame lies in development and somewhat recruiting. You are not equipped to develop a dual threat QB. Partly because dual threat QBs are not your cup of tea historically. Partly because Miles' scheme is not dual threat friendly. Partly because you are not a modern college football offensive coordinator. You are a traditional vertical passing NFL offensive coordinator. A modern offensive coordinator who can get your best athletes in space and be a little creative is needed at LSU if we are going to continue to recruit dual threat QBs. College football is vastly different from the NFL because spread systems will work in college due to the talent gap all over the field. In the NFL the talent gap to win one on one matchups is much closer.
Brandon Harris - 20%
"It's not your fault. It's my fault. I never should have recruited you" - Skip Bertman
This quote applies to Brandon Harris, Anthony Jennings, etc. It is not a coincidence that we get these highly rated dual threat QBs and they do not pan out here. We do not have the necessary development and/or scheme for dual threat QBs to exceed here. But Brandon you still need to look like a somewhat competent D1 QB. I believe that it is more of a confidence issue with him rather than ability issue. But that ship has sailed so it does not matter.
TLDR: Bring gifted pocket passers to LSU and our offense will thrive. Or fire Cam and Les and bring in a modern offensive minded head coach or coordinator and we can continue to recruit dual threat QBs.
Just want to be able to talk some LSU football with knowledgeable fans. So thoughts on my opinion?
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:13 pm to BWA2015
quote:
Les Miles - 100%
FIFY
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:19 pm to BWA2015
A lot of stupid in your post. Let's start here:
In that case it's 100% Les' fault. If a fan or Les' boss is doing the blaming then it is 100% Les' fault. If Les is doing the blaming it's likely 100% Cam's fault (assuming Cam is responsible for recruiting and coaching).
Well, if you change "Cam" to "Les" and "Les" to "Alleva" then why isn't Les 30% to blame.
quote:
Les Miles - 50%: When you are the head man in charge you have ultimate say in offensive scheme
In that case it's 100% Les' fault. If a fan or Les' boss is doing the blaming then it is 100% Les' fault. If Les is doing the blaming it's likely 100% Cam's fault (assuming Cam is responsible for recruiting and coaching).
quote:
Cam Cameron - 30% The reason you do not get more blame is because it is not entirely your fault that Les has not fired you
Well, if you change "Cam" to "Les" and "Les" to "Alleva" then why isn't Les 30% to blame.
quote:Yeah, this is a thing.
You are a traditional vertical passing NFL offensive coordinator.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:23 pm to Penrod
I do agree with most of your points. What you are doing is assessing through the concept of top-down management. I am looking at factors outside of Alleva/F King (who you failed to mention, Mr. Top Down Expert). Only factors directly assigned to football if that is what you would like to call it. If you wanted to go that route then we could get even more specific. Who hired F King? Who hired Alleva? Etc.
This post was edited on 9/22/16 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:49 pm to BWA2015
Wow, more regurgitated garbage. If you go all the way back, is the big bang theory responsible for everything??
Posted on 9/22/16 at 1:12 pm to BWA2015
Brandon is not a dual threat QB and cannot competently run the read option this requires.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 1:24 pm to BWA2015
I think that is a very good assessment of the situation. It was well thought out and maybe the coaches should look a little deeper in its recruiting.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 1:42 pm to TigerRagAndrew
Well no he isn't a dual threat qb right now because he came to LSU and was not developed to be a dual threat qb.
Let's say he went to Ohio state and was developed there. Who knows what he could have done.
Let's say he went to Ohio state and was developed there. Who knows what he could have done.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 3:42 pm to BWA2015
He reminds me of darron Thomas. He just can't be consistently accurate enough to win in this league
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