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re: Can you sell calls to establish a short position?
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:08 pm to Iowa Golfer
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:08 pm to Iowa Golfer
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Edit - And your naked trade is down 79% at open. What you collect .23-.79 for, now needs to be bought back for $1.73. Or if exercised, you'd need to buy 500 shares of SPY @ 214.86, and sell 500 shares at 213.50. You are left holding nothing. No short position.
I don't claim to be an expert but this doesn't make a lick of sense. I had a call spread I was short earlier this year. I don't remember exact strike prices but let's say 210 and 213. I was short 3 contracts at 210 and bought 3 long at 213. Trade moved against me and the 210 were assigned but the 213 were not in the money. I woke up short 300 shares of SPY which is exactly what bigfella wanted...
I ended up buying back to close the trade at a better price cuz SPY tanked that day after a big up day before but that's irrelevant. You sell a call that gets assigned you are now short shares. You don't buy shares and then short unless you want to close the position out.
I feel like you are unnecessarily scaring people away from the trade. No it's not the best method due to potential losses but bigfella isn't some small investor... his margin more than covers a 5 contract trade if that's how he wants to play it.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:21 pm to Big Saint
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The trade would be upside down right now $1.78 per share, and the option is up today over 100%, so the sold calls would have lost over 100% of yesterday values, which were already down about 50% yesterday.
When you say it like that its silly bc it would be down no more than had one gone short 500 shares at 213.50 or whatever. Its not 100% of anything major you'd be down a few hundred bucks on 5 contracts. I did go short today at 215.15 500 shares worth
Posted on 7/12/16 at 9:06 pm to Big Saint
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I feel like you are unnecessarily scaring people away from the trade.
Scaring people away from selling naked calls? I hope so. You are referencing a spread above, and he has been talking about selling naked calls. No spread in his trade. Two different animals as you are aware.
But yeah, for 3-5 contracts you're going to wake up short shares. But you'll eventually need to buy those shares. Or they'll get bought for you. So he'd eventually, and probably sooner rather than later given what SPY is, not be short anything. And he wants to stay short several months from what he posted.
But you're right, he can do as he pleases. But it is one of the strangest ways I've ever seen to go short, given how relatively brief his short would be. A matter of weeks probably rather than months.
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