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Posted by cleeveclever
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 12:08 pm to
Empire is my favorite movie, all-time. Return of the Jedi, though flawed, holds a special place in heart because of my age when it was released.

My dad took me to see Jedi and the scene in Jabba's palace was unlike anything I'd ever seen in a movie theater. Jabba on the big screen was massive and his voice was booming and terrifying. The Yoda scene and the throne room all felt like I was there. Emotional and ominous.

I was 7 years old, so needless to say, the filter I was passing the film through was one of awe and childlike excitement. Obviously there's a reason why 7 year-olds don't write film reviews.

I've seen the original trilogy far too many times to count, especially since my 4 year old is into Star Wars and I have a strict, "No prequel" policy.

Return has some really strong moments and definitely some disjointed elements.

I think there was too much going on in parallel in the third act to really emotionally invest. The Ewoks to me weren't the problem so much as it was unnecessary to have the Endor battle consume so much screen time. The space battle was fun and the throne room scenes were great.

Unfortunately, when you put all the components together and bounce back and forth, it really pulls you out of the weight of the situation on the Death Star.

I'd heard that Lucas hired Marquand to direct Jedi because he saw him as someone who could pull emotional performances from actors. Many argue that Lucas wanted someone that wasn't established in Hollywood circles, so he could manipulate the direction of the film. In Empire, Kirschner didn't kowtow to Lucas' input and as a result the final product was critically acclaimed but one Lucas didn't feel met his vision for the film.

I love Jedi but it does fall third, in my opinion, of the original trilogy.

One scene though that always stands out to me, is the scene where Luke confronts Vader on Endor. "it is too late for me, son" was the first time you could sense humanity in Vader and see the internal struggle. Then as Luke says "then my father is truly dead" and is lead away, Vader steps to the rail and stares off into the night. Silent. The conflict was so well filmed that you could almost see emotion in that plastic mask. Really cool scene.
This post was edited on 4/4/16 at 12:10 pm
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 12:29 pm to
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I think there was too much going on in parallel in the third act to really emotionally invest.
i actually don't think this would be a problem if done with the same tone, but the ewoks ruin it...moreover, the real problem is you have 3 things going on, one of them is pretty boring and doesn't utilize the characters at all, the other is a retread of the first movie and again doesn't do anything with the characters

I agree, it's very disjointed. for me though, it's the whole thing. the opening scene is the two droids walking and talking and it's through them that we're introduced to jabba...weak.

then the whole sequence goes on for 40 boring minutes. I've come to appreciate strong opening scenes in movies. ironically, empire is kind of unique in that there's no BOOM opening scene, but empire is a unique movie in many ways.

then we get to our rehash of the original. a huge problem is that many of our characters have no purpose. leia, han, chewie, 3po, and r2 are just there and lando is flying a plane...vader, luke and the emperor are pretty useless throughout the movie until you get to the throne room scenes.

It just bores me, but I can relate to having a special place for a movie you saw with your dad as a child...that's batman 1989 for me, but that movie has crazy style, doesn't suck and is a movie full of so many memorable lines and images
This post was edited on 4/4/16 at 12:32 pm
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Member since Feb 2009
52859 posts
Posted on 4/4/16 at 1:40 pm to
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The Ewoks to me weren't the problem


I love Ewoks. I didn't even know people hated Ewoks until recently.
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