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re: Clint Dempsey >>>> Landon Donovan
Posted on 3/30/16 at 3:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/30/16 at 3:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
their roles also changed from where they were at their peak. demps moved inside to pure striker and badley plays up as an AM
Players often move up the field when they are playing down in competition. The problem for Clint and Bradley is that they aren't very good at striker and AM in particular, because the things that made them most effective, timing and late runs, are mitigated by the lack of space. When Clint played so well at Fulham, he was a late-arriving LM who played as a weird auxiliary no. 10/no. 9. He also scored some spectacular goals, particularly his goals against Stoke and Juventus.
Bradley at his best is a CM whose defensive work rate is helps his offensive game, since it basically forces him to make late runs into certain areas. The best example (off the top of my head) of this is the 2nd goal against Slovenia in 2010.
Landon was, by far, the most creative player we've ever had. The fact we limited him to a right midfield role was our downfall and benefit, as the RM role was the only way he could co-exist with Clint coming inside.
The problem with Clint and Bradley ultimately is that they could either be big time players on small teams, or bit part players on bigger teams, neither of which ensure a solid salary.
It's also my contention that they've devolved because Klinsmann has no clue about tactics, and thus causes the whole team to play tentatively.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 3:23 pm to pvilleguru
No one would now the F Lalas was.
Landon Donovan is 50x more known. Laughable to say otherwise, on any universe.
Algeria goal....
Landon Donovan is 50x more known. Laughable to say otherwise, on any universe.
Algeria goal....
Posted on 3/30/16 at 11:16 pm to STLhog
if your arguing casual fan and a particular goal now. I'd argue more people would remember jermaine jones goal versus Portugal as winning considering 16.1 million more people in USA actually saw it
USA Portugal rating
USA Algeria Nelson rating
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USA: Portugal game was most watched football match ever on US TV, higher than any of NBA Finals and higher than average of 2013 World Series 2013 (ESPN, UNIVISION: 24.7 million combined)
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USA-Algeria ESPN/Univision 8.6 million
USA Portugal rating
USA Algeria Nelson rating
Posted on 3/30/16 at 11:17 pm to STLhog
Would you say it's laughable that her main jones is 16.1 million times more well known than LD?
Posted on 3/30/16 at 11:23 pm to lsugorilla
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if your arguing casual fan and a particular goal now. I'd argue more people would remember jermaine jones goal versus Portugal as winning considering 16.1 million more people in USA actually saw it
And I'd argue more people remember John Anthony Brooks' goal vs. Ghana over Jermaine Jones' goal.
But Landon Donovan's fame/legacy is more than one goal. He's got plenty of moments that make him famous. The Algeria goal is just the biggest.
quote:
Would you say it's laughable that her main jones is 16.1 million times more well known than LD?
I think your understanding of math is a little bit off.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 11:47 pm to WarSlamEagle
Understanding of math is about as good as my grammar/spelling. If your going to argue so and so has done more to bring a casual fan to watch more soccer it wouldn't be a player. It be the media. But if you would have to pick someone with the team I'd argue Klinsmann. He has the most diverse group of players being watched my the largest audience. If you are wanting to argue which player I think you would have to argue someone not like LD who is white gifted and from Cali which already has soccer fans. I think players not white and not from Cali have brought more casual fans into watching. I grew up in the south and played with or against 1 minority that was not Latin before I went to college. That's games in TX. LA. AL. MS. FL and MO that I can remember. I live in the north now and my kids have played against or with 1 non Latin minority. That's county LA. AR. IA MO. and IL. I bet the majority on this board are white. So if you think who's brought this sport to a larger audience and look at TV viewing and drawing more casual fans who have never seen soccer before I'd argue against LD
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:07 am to lsugorilla
Jack Nicklaus has won more majors(LD has more goals). But Tiger (insert many other players not named LD) where watched by a larger and more diverse audiences.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 6:24 am to lsugorilla
quote:
Would you say it's laughable that her main jones is 16.1 million times more well known than LD?
Yeah, I would say that's laughable.
This post was edited on 3/31/16 at 6:25 am
Posted on 3/31/16 at 6:48 am to pvilleguru
16.1million more people saw his goal. Not counting all the replays in sports center and all the people in pubs and parks and stadiums watching them. Think back to 2002 and LD's tap in gime. Remember stadiums and city parks jammed with people watching. I don't even remember the pub I was in being overly crouded. I didn't even know LD still played until I pulled up his wiki page to see where he was born. I get more casual Fans asking me about that guy who was suppose to USA next Pele. referring to Freddy Adu
Posted on 3/31/16 at 6:53 am to lsugorilla
Most people Non soccer fans probably know more about USA women soccer players going back to Mia Hamm then LD
Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:02 am to lsugorilla
quote:16.1 million more does not equal 16.1 million times more. That's simple math.
16.1million more people saw his goal.
quote:Yes
Think back to 2002 and LD's tap in gime. Remember stadiums and city parks jammed with people watching.
quote:Of course you do, because LD is a known entity and was one of the faces of US soccer for 10 years. They are asking about a 26 year old that plays in the NASL and has only played 17 games for the US (with the last one being in 2011) and none of them were memorable.
I get more casual Fans asking me about that guy who was suppose to USA next Pele. referring to Freddy Adu
Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:08 am to pvilleguru
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Of course you do, because LD is a known entity and was one of the faces of US soccer for 10 years.
How many people that don't watch soccer know this?
He was never on a Wheaties cereal box=no one outside soccer has heard of him.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:12 am to lsugorilla
quote:A ton. A lot more than those that could remember Jermaine Jones' name.
How many people that don't watch soccer know this?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:14 am to lsugorilla
quote:Probably because it was during the day and people have to work.
I don't even remember the pub I was in being overly crouded.
quote:
Not counting all the replays in sports center
Sportscenter didn't begin in 2014. If you don't think LD's goal in 2010 wasn't the lead on sportscenter that night (and the next 2-3 nights), then you didn't own a TV back then.
This post was edited on 3/31/16 at 7:23 am
Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:20 am to pvilleguru
Can anyone give me an argument on how more Nonsoccer players know about LD? I get he's really good and everyone that knows anything about soccer knows him but he apparently is now is retired. Do non soccer fans watch old reruns of the 2010 World Cup or la Galaxy games to know who he is?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:22 am to lsugorilla
quote:yep I caught my buddy doing that the other day. That's the way he found out who Landon is. Crazy stuff.
Do non soccer fans watch old reruns of the 2010 World Cup or la Galaxy games to know who he is?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:25 am to uway
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yep I caught my buddy doing that the other day. That's the way he found out who Landon is. Crazy stuff.
And he doesn't like soccer? Sounds like an exciting life
Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:30 am to lsugorilla
quote:Endorsement deals, TV spots, Sports Illustrated covers, ESPN commercials, etc. You know, the same way everyone else gets know. Hell, he was on the cover of at least one FIFA game
Can anyone give me an argument on how more Nonsoccer players know about LD?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 8:19 am to lsugorilla
quote:
Can anyone give me an argument on how more Nonsoccer players know about LD? I get he's really good and everyone that knows anything about soccer knows him but he apparently is now is retired.
Landon (who is at the forefront) , Clint, Howard and Bradley will likely be talked about as the core that made soccer a big deal here in the States.
Three had somewhat successful careers in Europe, while Landon established the MLS here at home.
I won't be surprised at all if Landon has somewhat of a Michael Jordan-esque reputation to him in 10-15 years.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 9:30 am to pvilleguru
LD has been on 2 sports illustrated the most recent 14 years ago, once solo
other us players on SI cover more than once
hope solo had been on 4-twice solo
julie johnston 2
abby waumbauch 3-twice solo
alex morgan 4-twice solo
carli lloyd 5-twice solo
megan rapinoe 3
becky saureburnn 2
amy waumbach 4
SI covers
ESPN the magazine
Landon donavon on cover 12 years ago not alone on cover
alex morgan
wambacu 1
sidney leroux 3 once solo
alex morgan 1
is donovan not on their as much as other solo because he is not as marketable therefore possibly not as popular?
ESPN the magazine
sport illustrated swimsuit edition
alex morgan once
sportspro media list of most marketable going back to 2010
alex morgan 2015
hope solo 2012
Julian green 2014
could not get 2013 link to work but since LD was retired safe to assume he didn't make it
2012
2014
main article
Donovan 2015
LD
freedy adu deal with Nike alone ten years ago was more
$1 mil nike
30 for 30 fredddy adu
maybe why i get asked more about him
other us players on SI cover more than once
hope solo had been on 4-twice solo
julie johnston 2
abby waumbauch 3-twice solo
alex morgan 4-twice solo
carli lloyd 5-twice solo
megan rapinoe 3
becky saureburnn 2
amy waumbach 4
SI covers
ESPN the magazine
Landon donavon on cover 12 years ago not alone on cover
alex morgan
wambacu 1
sidney leroux 3 once solo
alex morgan 1
is donovan not on their as much as other solo because he is not as marketable therefore possibly not as popular?
ESPN the magazine
sport illustrated swimsuit edition
alex morgan once
sportspro media list of most marketable going back to 2010
alex morgan 2015
hope solo 2012
Julian green 2014
could not get 2013 link to work but since LD was retired safe to assume he didn't make it
2012
2014
main article
Donovan 2015
quote:
Sponsorship/Endorsement amount is $313,725
LD
freedy adu deal with Nike alone ten years ago was more
$1 mil nike
30 for 30 fredddy adu
maybe why i get asked more about him
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