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re: Physicists ... what do you think about fifth dimension travel?
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:40 pm to AjaxFury
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:40 pm to AjaxFury
thanks ajax
was hoping for the drawing..
tho I did find a medical article on the pineal gland
which said it laid quite close to the optic nerve...not sure what that will serve up
anyways, doctors don't recognize the souls cuz they can't measure it, even in the face of testimony from folks who were OBE and witnessed what was done and said in the room, the docs refused to believe...wow, that's some intense hard core training to deny that...which was a side bar any ways.
was hoping for the drawing..
tho I did find a medical article on the pineal gland
which said it laid quite close to the optic nerve...not sure what that will serve up
anyways, doctors don't recognize the souls cuz they can't measure it, even in the face of testimony from folks who were OBE and witnessed what was done and said in the room, the docs refused to believe...wow, that's some intense hard core training to deny that...which was a side bar any ways.
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:43 pm to AjaxFury
quote:Well sleep paralysis is a recognized medical condition.
Linked this one, but literally (yes, literally) every culture has documented sleep paralysis and calls it by different names.
BUT sleep paralysis =\= interdimensional travel.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:45 pm to retired trucker
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thanks ajax
No prob RT...didn't mean to hijack thread. Saw it died down & had something to add so I did.
Not trolling at all, trying to figure this thing out like everybody else. Don't always have the energy to dig that deep...gave what I had. Appreciate y'all's input
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:48 pm to buckeye_vol
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BUT sleep paralysis =\= interdimensional travel.
No one is suggesting that, though it could be argued other interdimensional beings may use REM brain waves as a medium to travel. You really ought to do some more research on the subject.
You might be surprised where it leads...
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:53 pm to AjaxFury
quote:Where would I find this? Is there any scientific literature or just some interesting but unverified theories?
You really ought to do some more research on the subject.
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:56 pm to AjaxFury
I remember an old theory called microcosms and macrocosms that almost fits into this general conversation. What I don't know is whether this m&ms theory is still in play. Anybody know?
Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:00 pm to buckeye_vol
Depends if you are going for the "Scully" or the "Mulder" angle. A combo of both is probably best for balance.
The documentary I referenced is a good start for a general understanding of experiences and especially the audio/visual re-enactments are high quality and accurate compared to some of my experiences and others that I've read.
Academic studies will give you a sterile look at the phenomenon. There are plenty of YouTube channels and websites/threads of personal testimonies as well.
Browse if you're really interested with Google. I'm confident on the direction of my perspective b/c I've had a friend witness me going thru it as well as a family member. Also, a couple friends of mine have experienced similar SP episodes, & they have no reason to lie to me.
The documentary I referenced is a good start for a general understanding of experiences and especially the audio/visual re-enactments are high quality and accurate compared to some of my experiences and others that I've read.
Academic studies will give you a sterile look at the phenomenon. There are plenty of YouTube channels and websites/threads of personal testimonies as well.
Browse if you're really interested with Google. I'm confident on the direction of my perspective b/c I've had a friend witness me going thru it as well as a family member. Also, a couple friends of mine have experienced similar SP episodes, & they have no reason to lie to me.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:14 pm to AjaxFury
quote:I'm not questioning the perceptual experience; I'm questioning the conclusion that the perception of the experiences are actually evidence of some reality beyond our known explanations.
Also, a couple friends of mine have experienced similar SP episodes, & they have no reason to lie to me.
In other words, if a person has an "out-of-body" experience, is it more logical to assume they were actually "out-of-body" or that they were experiencing something more akin to a hallucination? I mean, we can't prove that it wasn't "real," but it's not the most logical explanation.
Furthermore, if these experiences exist, there should be someone who could be tested and show some unexplained knowledge. Thus far those that have been tested (some guy said he went to Jupiter) have not shown anything to reject the non-paranormal explanations. Same thing with psychics and others that have purported some paranormal powers.
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:30 pm to buckeye_vol
This will be polarizing to some, but Ephesians 6:12 states this theory well over 1,000 years ago
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"For our struggle is not against human opponents, but against rulers, authorities, cosmic powers in the darkness around us, and evil spiritual forces in the heavenly realm. "
If you've experienced SP, and have had OBE's on occasion totally sober, then it would make you pause to think they were onto something.
Unfortunately, our technology isn't advanced enough to produce quantifiable data on this topic as far as I know. Still, doesn't mean we should throw out the baby with the bathwater.
The fact that nearly every civilization on earth has documented the sleep paralysis phenomenon dating back over 1000 years should clue is in that there is something more living then just in the physical world that we can observe
ETA: correct me if I'm wrong, but in quantum physics, aren't there particles that behave differently when they are observed? That would make it difficult to produce the physical evidence you are seeking.
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"For our struggle is not against human opponents, but against rulers, authorities, cosmic powers in the darkness around us, and evil spiritual forces in the heavenly realm. "
If you've experienced SP, and have had OBE's on occasion totally sober, then it would make you pause to think they were onto something.
Unfortunately, our technology isn't advanced enough to produce quantifiable data on this topic as far as I know. Still, doesn't mean we should throw out the baby with the bathwater.
The fact that nearly every civilization on earth has documented the sleep paralysis phenomenon dating back over 1000 years should clue is in that there is something more living then just in the physical world that we can observe
ETA: correct me if I'm wrong, but in quantum physics, aren't there particles that behave differently when they are observed? That would make it difficult to produce the physical evidence you are seeking.
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:54 pm to AjaxFury
quote:I have trouble following this logic. If the most accepted explanation of sleep paralysis is physiological, then it would quite normal for this to occur across populations and generations. So to whatever extent your belief is correct, I'm not sure how that provide any evidence.
he fact that nearly every civilization on earth has documented the sleep paralysis phenomenon dating back over 1000 years should clue is in that there is something more living then just in the physical world that we can observe
quote:I mean obviously some observable physical evidence would be the most definitive, BUT this is not required to reject the null. For example, so called "psychics" and others purporting paranormal skills have been scientifically studied under controlled conditions (e.g., predict what what card a person is holding). AND these individuals who have made their careers on this paranormal power, have consistently either failed miserably or performed as well as the expected probability (i.e., chance).
ETA: correct me if I'm wrong, but in quantum physics, aren't there particles that behave differently when they are observed? That would make it difficult to produce the physical evidence you are seeking.
So if a "telepathic or psychic " would have been able to correctly guess 100 out of 100 cards in a controlled study, we wouldn't need to see its physical explanation to conclude that there is some validity to the psychic's claim. Yet, they fail to even meet that bar.
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 2/8/16 at 8:01 pm to buckeye_vol
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If the most accepted explanation of sleep paralysis is physiologica
Most civilizations theorized they were spiritual phenomenon, not physiological. That's why i suggested you research the topic before jumping to conclusions.
quote:
I mean obviously some observable physical evidence would be the most definitive,
I haven't seen psychics mentioned once in this thread.
Was speaking in general quantum physics terms.
Do you think that it has any merit to investigate why some particles behave differently when observed vs unobserved? Seems pretty strange to me an unconscious particle behaves a certain way depending on whether we are watching or not. "The Awakening of Intelligence" is a good book to gain more insight on theories about "observers"
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 2/8/16 at 8:30 pm to Hog on the Hill
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I have a degree in physics and work in a physics-related health profession
So you believe your academic acumen lends validity to your opinion on the ability of someone to cross dimensions during unconsciousness? Surely you can't truly believe your education would provide you with anymore insight with regards to this discussion as the average poster on this board. Actually I don't think this is a physics discussion at all - to me, its more of a discussion suited for the Carl Jung types...but hell, I'm not educated in physics or psychology - so what do I know, right...
Posted on 2/8/16 at 8:44 pm to AjaxFury
quote:I figured that they had a spiritual explanation as we only recently began to have the capability to study the brain. I understand why they believed that, but I'm not sure why their explanations without the knowledge we have today, has any bearing.
Most civilizations theorized they were spiritual phenomenon, not physiological. That's why i suggested you research the topic before jumping to conclusions
I mean civilizations of the past had lots of spiritual or just plain strange explanations for the unknown which today is very well known (what stars are; what germs are, etc.). Their views, besides as a study of history and culture, shouldn't be considered some sort of valid evidence to refute the knowledge that has accumulated since.
quote:Well between that and telepathy, it's probably the most mainstream. They've done the same thing with people that have purported astral projections with comparably poor results for the "astral projection" hypothesis.
I haven't seen psychics mentioned once in this thread
quote:But physics generally provides the explanation, but we can test something without knowing the exact physical mechanisms. As mentioned before, quantum entanglement is not well-understood, but it can be shown nonetheless. If someone is truly telepathic, I wouldn't NEED to know the physical mechanisms to actually test whether they may have telepathic abilities. Just like we don't always know the exact mechanisms of drugs to know that they work.
Was speaking in general quantum physics terms.
quote:Sure. But attaching any explanation to the truly unexplainable is tricky. At least some explanations have a valid basis in the explained and therefore, following old Occam's Razor are more logically consistent. When you start to present explanations that have not had that basis, then while interesting, it's not any more valid than a thousand (maybe infinite) other explanations with no basis.
Do you think that it has any merit to investigate why some particles behave differently when observed vs unobserved?
quote:It sounds like an interesting read, but I think you and I have vastly different views on what is evidence, beyond philosophical theory.
"The Awakening of Intelligence" is a good book to gain more insight on theories about "observers
While I'm sure it's interesting and insightful, from a philosophical standpoint, just like topics like existentialism, free will, etc., but none of these seem to really provide input into the validity of the topic at hand.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:19 pm to yoga girl
People like you that give quacks a pedestal to stand on detract from real science. No physicist worth his or her salt would speak of a soul in the context of making a definite conclusion. Why? Given the modern scientific method; souls, God, Satan, ghosts, etc are not testable. Thus, none of these things can be proven or disproven, and finally, no definite conclusion about their existence or nonexistence can be made. BTW...the guy's doctorate is in the field of dentistry. One does not see too many of these motherfrickers whizzing through space.
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:35 pm to Tiger Chemist
quote:The jokes on the other dentists then. Aliens have horrible dental hygiene. So this guy is making $$$$.
BTW...the guy's doctorate is in the field of dentistry. One does not see too many of these motherfrickers whizzing through space.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:57 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:22 pm to DanMullins4Life
Damn. Y'all are whacked as hell. There's a whole new dimension of crazy on display in this thread.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:28 am to Clutch Cargo
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Damn. Y'all are whacked as hell. There's a whole new dimension of crazy on display in this thread.
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