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re: 73 Years ago today: Battle of Stalingrad ends with the surrender of 6th Army

Posted on 2/2/16 at 1:41 pm to
Posted by GeauxLSUGeaux
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Member since May 2004
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Posted on 2/2/16 at 1:41 pm to
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Russia was able to ship troops from the Far East because their intell indicated the Japanese were not going to attack Russia.

Germany and Japan had a screwy alliance. Japan never declared war on Russia and did not threaten Russia, but as soon as Japan attacked the US Hitler jumped in and declared war on the US three days later.

If Germany stayed out of the Japanese war with the US how would history have changed? How long could Germany have gone against Russia without D-Day, Italy, African campaign involving the US, etc?


I read this book called "The Prize" about the history of drilling for oil and in it they alluded to this. Germany wanted Japan to attack Russia from the east, but Japan wanted the oil rich lands of the Philippines. Japan f*cked up majorly attacking Pearl Harbor, but they did so only to ensure that the U.S. Would not flank them while holding onto these islands. If Japan attacks Russia instead of the U.S. It would have affected the outcome of the war and history as we know it.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 2/2/16 at 2:22 pm to
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I read this book called "The Prize" about the history of drilling for oil and in it they alluded to this. Germany wanted Japan to attack Russia from the east, but Japan wanted the oil rich lands of the Philippines. Japan f*cked up majorly attacking Pearl Harbor, but they did so only to ensure that the U.S. Would not flank them while holding onto these islands. If Japan attacks Russia instead of the U.S. It would have affected the outcome of the war and history as we know it.




The Japanese had two choices in 1941. They could withdraw from China and resume getting imports of vital materials like rubber, scrap iron, and most importantly oil. Or they could stay in China and go to war with the U.S. before their current stocks of these items ran out. They chose to go to war and hope to secure the supplies of these items by seizing the Philippines and more importantly the Dutch East Indies. They chose war and thus sealed their ultimate fate.
This post was edited on 2/2/16 at 2:22 pm
Posted by blueridgeTiger
Granbury, TX
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 2/2/16 at 2:27 pm to
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If Japan attacks Russia instead of the U.S. It would have affected the outcome of the war and history as we know it


Japan did engage the Soviets in 1939, but were soundly defeated - they wanted no part of a war with the Soviet Union.

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