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re: Gymnastic judges re-figured beam scores

Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:50 pm to
Posted by The Mick
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:50 pm to
Who cares?
Posted by RGJ18
Collierville, TN
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:53 pm to
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I hate any sport that utilizes judges

I don't even consider any competition without an objective scoring system a "sport"
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
10439 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 7:00 pm to
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The start value of Sydney Ewing's balance beam routine was judged at a 9.9. LSU disputed this with the judges arguing that it should have had a start value of 10.0 and won the dispute. That tenth of a point was critical with how close the meet was. Between Ewing's routine and the dispute being resolved LSU was trailing by a tenth of a point


Thanks. Always great to learn something from knowledgeable fans who have better understanding of the nuances and can share with the rest of us.

Does that mean that the difficulty of a routine gives the performer more cushion in scoring than does another performer with generally a less difficult routine?
Posted by RoyaleWithCheese
Member since Jan 2013
603 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 7:07 pm to
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Does that mean that the difficulty of a routine gives the performer more cushion in scoring than does another performer with generally a less difficult routine?


I don't know that "cushion" is the right word. All routines have a start value based on their difficulty and elements then deductions are made from there for each mistake.
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 7:10 pm to
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Who cares?


You know who cares?

The kids who bust their asses to perfect their skills without million dollar contracts in their futures. The ones who charge out on that mat with 9,000 roaring fans in an a program they have helped transform to currently the best in the athletic epartment.

Their parents who support them, who made the sacrifices to get them to the point they have reached today.

The little girls who sits in those stands and dream they may one day be flipping and jumping for LSU or some other program.

Finally, its the real Tiger fans who bleed purple and gold and want success for any team wearing the LSU colors in competition.

I doubt you fit in any of those categories.
Posted by Terry the Tiger
Cypress, Texas
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 8:38 pm to
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I hate any sport that utilizes judges.


This is the right answer. If you are not competing head-to-head against an opponent or something measurable (e.g. the clock, number of targets, distance jumped or thrown) then I just don't get into that sport any more. Gymnastics, figure skating, diving, synchronized swimming, etc. are way too subjective. I feel sorry for Olympians that that work half their lives for one competition only to have the Russian judge screw them.
Posted by BigB0882
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:03 pm to
Probably been posted but coaches can petition the start value of a routine. They may not petition the actual score. So if a coach feels their athlete didn't get credit for something they did, they petition. It is supposed to happen before the end of the rotation so I would assume the petition came from Oklahoma since they ended the meet on beam. I doubt it would have made any difference as to the winner because you are usually only talking about a tenth difference but in a sport where Ws and Ls don't matter, only your scores, tenths are important.

Edit: Apparently it was Ewing's beam. I thought her score was too low at 9.775 and wondered if they took a tenth off for her usual acro/leap series. She usually does a gainer layout stepout to a side split. However, she was just a bit off so she did a beat jump after. It still fulfilled the requirement she was going after. If her score only went up half a tenth then that must mean only one of the judges had her at a 9.9 SV.
This post was edited on 1/10/16 at 9:07 pm
Posted by mark65mc
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
11292 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:43 pm to
The LSU gym coaches are on it. DD, Jay and Bob do a great job with the team and the judges.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
40159 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 9:42 am to
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Any sport that relies on points awarded by bystanders instead of on head-to-head competition is not a sport, it is a hobby at best.


Boxing, football, basketball all depend heavily on referees' discretion. I'm not criticising your point, but the ineluctable conclusion is that, for example, football is less of a sport than track and field.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
40159 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 9:45 am to
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It really does not matter what it is called, but the skill level required in gymnastics is much higher than most sports


Yeah, bullshite. It requires the same challenge as every other sport, that is: beat the competition.
Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
20740 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 10:54 am to
Every sport has some type of officiating that greatly influenced the outcome of a game.

The only sport(I say this loosely) I can think of without referees is nascar. They can go back the next day and assess point deductions but that's for blantant cheating not some human making a rash decision.

Strikes, fouls, holding, PI, catch or no catch, etc......
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
10439 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 11:13 am to

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Yeah, bullshite. It requires the same challenge as every other sport, that is: beat the competition.


No, the rest of my point ( below) is valid.

In baseball you don't have to hit the ball squarely to get a hit , just hit it where they ain't. You can throw someone out on a perfect throw or one in the dirt.

A quarterback just needs to get the ball in the vicinity of the receiver for a completion. I know sometimes they make that great back shoulder throw or the receiver catches it in stride, but most throws are not perfect text book style.

Baksetball you can shoot 50% and be a pretty good player.

No greater example than the botched snap converted into a scramble pass touchdown by Russell Wilson yesterday. While granted it required athleticism to transform a disastrous play into a score no amount of athleticism or skill could save a gymnast's score when she falls from the beam or bars. She could climb back on and perform an Olympic worthy routine and it would not matter. In fact even a less than perfect landing could cost hereven if all other aspects were exceptional.

Posted by GEAUXLA16
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2014
152 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 11:13 am to
I'll just leave this here.

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