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re: To deduct or not to deduct, that is the question.

Posted on 12/15/15 at 1:32 pm to
Posted by Shankopotomus
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Posted on 12/15/15 at 1:32 pm to
If you are a mortgage originator, you are sort of proving his point


amending returns isnt fraud

falsifying information or documents is fraud

DISTINCT difference
Posted by krehn11
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Posted on 12/15/15 at 1:47 pm to
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If you are a mortgage originator, you are sort of proving his point


I'm not a mortgage originator.

To me, this is an example of fraud:

This will be a simplified version. Taxpayer has no income other than Schedule C business income. The mortgage company requires income of $100,000 to qualify for the loan.

Here is the taxpayer's actual Schedule C:
Gross Income = $500,000
Cost of Goods Sold = <$300,000>
Supplies = <$50,000>
Repairs = <$50,000>
Vehicle Expenses = <$15,000>
Office Supplies = <$10,000>
Net Income = $75,000

The taxpayer would not qualify for the loan.

But, wait, let's just not deduct the vehicle/office supplies. That will get us to $100,000!!!

To me, that is fraud. Taxpayer is artificially inflating their income.
Posted by yellowfin
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Posted on 12/15/15 at 2:32 pm to
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amending returns isnt fraud

falsifying information or documents is fraud

DISTINCT difference


filing a return you know isn't correct and knowing you'll later amend is pretty much falsifying documents

The bank is trying to get a picture of the health of the business. If he uses his cell phone for the business but doesn't show the expense or drives his truck everyday for business purposes but doesn't show that expense either then they don't have all information necessary to get that picture.
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