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re: What gives you confidence that Miles can lead us to another championship?
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:03 am to Smalls
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:03 am to Smalls
I'm sure I'll get a bunch of replies scoffing, but I think Miles knew the deficiencies we're seeing now were coming, and he did his best to address them by getting new coaches in. This current team is the product of Studrawa being lazy and Brick not being able to close. Orgeron and Grimes are considered two of the best recruiters in the country at their positions, and good coaches too. They have to get their players in, and not just wet behind the ears freshmen. Cameron also is an easy target, because he had to rebuild the QB position from scratch. It's EXTREMELY rare to see a QB that's not at least a junior playing well in the SEC, and most successful teams have a senior or fifth year. Well, next year he'll have an experienced QB that is making documented progress, and a 5-star recruit waiting in the wings. That's what stability gives you. Cam showed in 2013 he is capable of calling a balanced and effective offense if the personnel is there, and that takes a few cycles.
Miles may be slow to react and stubborn but I truly believe that's part of what makes him successful at this level too. He doesn't overreact often, or make knee jerk decisions that end up making things worse (Gus anyone?). He hasn't had a losing season in his entire tenure, and that shows a huge amount of commitment to maintain. Miles isn't as clueless as many of the emotional responses here lead you to believe. Hell, this board's favorite talking point is that the offense never changes, but in the span of a week we saw the offense completely abandon the I-form (and many knowledgeable people believe this cost them the game). It may be frustrating to LSU fans, but making a run at a natty every 4-5 years is what other programs have wet dreams about. It sucks watching Bama do it yearly, but what they're doing is unprecedented and definitely can't be duplicated just by plugging in the next hot name on the coaching carousel. Building something that can challenge their run takes time and patience, and some failure along the way. Blow it up now and the odds overwhelmingly favor us having this same convo in three years. I don't know if LSU as a fanbase is that patient.
Miles may be slow to react and stubborn but I truly believe that's part of what makes him successful at this level too. He doesn't overreact often, or make knee jerk decisions that end up making things worse (Gus anyone?). He hasn't had a losing season in his entire tenure, and that shows a huge amount of commitment to maintain. Miles isn't as clueless as many of the emotional responses here lead you to believe. Hell, this board's favorite talking point is that the offense never changes, but in the span of a week we saw the offense completely abandon the I-form (and many knowledgeable people believe this cost them the game). It may be frustrating to LSU fans, but making a run at a natty every 4-5 years is what other programs have wet dreams about. It sucks watching Bama do it yearly, but what they're doing is unprecedented and definitely can't be duplicated just by plugging in the next hot name on the coaching carousel. Building something that can challenge their run takes time and patience, and some failure along the way. Blow it up now and the odds overwhelmingly favor us having this same convo in three years. I don't know if LSU as a fanbase is that patient.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:04 am to Smalls
Doing exactly what their doing now except better (not that I'm in love with the current offensive playcalling) with more experience. Your starting left guard is a true freshman. And your starting right guard is a red-shirt freshman. If they can get at least 4 of the starters back on the o-line (including Pocic) they will be ready. Also, Harris will be a junior along with Dupre and TJ, and Fournette returning. I think they certainly can win a championship next season.
This will also depend on them getting the recruits on defense to build the depth and implement the scheme the new scheme. Also, they will not be young in the key areas where experience is required like QB, RB, DL, and OL.
Mawae said it this morning. One missed assignment on the line can cause the entire play to fall apart. We have two new linemen this season and we have a chance to return all 5 next season though I don't really see that happening. Getting guys who are draft eligible to come back is the primary challenge.
This will also depend on them getting the recruits on defense to build the depth and implement the scheme the new scheme. Also, they will not be young in the key areas where experience is required like QB, RB, DL, and OL.
Mawae said it this morning. One missed assignment on the line can cause the entire play to fall apart. We have two new linemen this season and we have a chance to return all 5 next season though I don't really see that happening. Getting guys who are draft eligible to come back is the primary challenge.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:04 am to Smalls
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What gives you confidence that Miles can lead us to another championship?
Peyote.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:05 am to Smalls
The same reason Dale Brown couldn't do it with Shaquille, Stanley, and CJ. He's not a championship coach.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:05 am to moneyg
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Won one. Played for another.
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What gives you confidence that Miles can lead us to another championship?
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:05 am to Smalls
None-cause he's too stubborn to adapt
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:06 am to Choctaw
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he can and he will.
As long as Nick Saban remains at Alabama:
Miles certainly will not win another national championship. He almost certainly will not win another SEC championship. He very likely will not win another SEC West championship.
If Saban leaves Alabama, all bets are off, but given that Miles also can't beat Bielema, even that probably wouldn't be enough.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:06 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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TheDrunkenTigah for President
I couldn't agree more with this post. As a fan base, we're trying to hold an OC accountable for a sophomore QB with talent in his first year starting to not going through growing pains. And an offensive line that is playing with two players with "freshman" associated with them. The most highly recruited players on this team are only sophomores and a freshman wide receiver and linemen. Donte Jackson is just getting his feet wet.
I expect this team to win, but winning without the process is nearly impossible in this league. Arden Key needs this year to be better next year. Davon Godchaux needs this season to become the leader he can be for the d-line next season. Dupre has put together two solid season in spite of QB woes. Tyron Johnson is a true freshman who will be ready next season. This team is loaded but not quite ready yet.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 10:16 am
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:14 am to Choctaw
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deez nuts
If I had some nuts....hanging on the wall what would I have honey?
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:19 am to TheDrunkenTigah
Nice post. It's ALWAYS something though. Youth, depth, coaching changes, etc. Year after year, same old stuff. The title he won, we still had two losses to inferior opponents.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:22 am to Will2nd
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I expect this team to win, but winning without the process is nearly impossible in this league.
Exactly.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:25 am to Smalls
The quality of the players he brings in and Coach O!
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:28 am to wesman21
He won't win another championship, his last Championship was the SEC in 2011. Unless he totally changes his philosophy which he won't or Saban leaves Bama enjoy winning 8-10 regular season games and nothing worth a shite!
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:31 am to Night Train
He has to beat Bama and Ark, both in the West and blost to both
the win SEC Championship...not with his style of play.
the win SEC Championship...not with his style of play.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:33 am to rbdallas
His attitude towards how to win football games reminds me a lot of Gene Stallings. He never did evolve
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:35 am to Nuts4LSU
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As long as Nick Saban remains at Alabama:
Miles certainly will not win another national championship. He almost certainly will not win another SEC championship. He very likely will not win another SEC West championship.
If Saban leaves Alabama, all bets are off, but given that Miles also can't beat Bielema, even that probably wouldn't be enough.
its 2009 all over again
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:35 am to Choctaw
The moron has lost to Arkansas two years in a row... ARKANSAS that is evidence that tdecline is real
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:35 am to Smalls
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Nice post. It's ALWAYS something though. Youth, depth, coaching changes, etc. Year after year, same old stuff. The title he won, we still had two losses to inferior opponents.
That's kind of my point, and that's the nature of college football. This isn't the NFL where you can go sign free agents. Everyone's favorite pal Jimbo can't even consistently get in done in the ACC. Even Saban loses here and there. Urban Meyer quit because he understood his program was about to hit a few lean years. These three are regarded as the cream of the crop in the game, and even they take some lumps. It is ridiculously hard to get all the right pieces together all at the same time. Look around at the bigs of college football right now. USC, Texas, Miami, Nebraska... all programs that would trade in a heartbeat for the success LSU has had. If you want to sustain success in CFB you have to wade through some down times and accept that even ONE natty is a monumental accomplishment.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:37 am to Smalls
We have to have some of the dumbest 'fans' in the entire world. Miles' record is unquestionably the best we've ever had but some idiots want him out. Since 2005, we've had 7 10 win seasons and considering most 'champions' don't go undefeated - even your precious gumps - that means we've been right in the thick of things almost every year.
Morons calling for Miles' head are devaluing LSU degrees by the second.
Morons calling for Miles' head are devaluing LSU degrees by the second.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:37 am to Smalls
I think he could, but changes have to be made (Peveto, Cameron, Steele).
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