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re: Apologize to Dwayne Thomas Here
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:17 am to Saintsntigers04
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:17 am to Saintsntigers04
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He had one good play. He should not see the field anymore he gets beat all the time and is always out of position.
You ever think that maybe he is having to play out of position out of necessity? I don't know what's up with Paris. I assume he just hasn't developed as hoped/expected.
I do know that it's a damn shame that R. Robinson couldn't get his act together. Some didn't like him but he was extremely talented, and could shut down a good wr when his head was in the game. What might have been with a healthy Mills, White, and Robinson as three strong cover guys....and then Adams, Jefferson, Thomas, and Toliver to mix in there....with the way our DL is performing with pressure.....that just would have been a nasty combination.
But, we have what we have...and they are no slouches...just taking a little more time to come together. I hope/expect Toliver to really come on strong the second half of the season as hopefully the game slows down for him...and hopefully Mills plays a lot this Saturday and is 100% for Bama. I will say this, and no one ever does on here....but I was honestly expecting Adams to perform much better than he has so far this year. He hasn't been terrible, but he certainly hasn't been special...yet. Maybe the role he is having to play with Mills out is not the role that benefits the team the most...IDK, I'm not an expert like most on the rant....what I do know though is that I was expecting all-American play and so far I haven't seen it.....but, still a LOT of football left to play.....if the secondary starts to improve...and we get our ST's at least adequate...watch out....this offense may be the best in the league.
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Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:17 am to harry coleman beast
The shorter the field the better. He has his strengths for sure.
He can't keep up with fast recovers on deep routes.
He can't keep up with fast recovers on deep routes.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:18 am to therick711
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2 completions one for 42 yards, no big deal. So he gave up 50 yards on 6 targets, that's 8.3 an attempt. I see why they kept going to that well, and why he was lifted for Jackson.
Our 3rd best corner wont fair well against any teams #1 WR
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:18 am to harry coleman beast
My b Dwayne - originally thought your coverage was suspect but you saved us from overtime, which could've gotten ugly. 
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:19 am to ell_13
Yeah, he's been terrific. You're right. Not a huge liability that everyone tries to exploit at all. I'm sure you thought Danny McCray was making plays all over the field, too. Nothing against those guys personally, just calling out performances that are below the standard of their teammates.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:21 am to harry coleman beast
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Our 3rd best corner wont fair well against any teams #1 WR
Tyrann Mathieu and Ron Brooks did pretty well. So did Rashard Robinson and Jalen Collins. So did Travis Daniels. So did Tharold Simon. There are plenty of examples of guys who are more adept at being cover corners than Dwayne is even as the third DB. The facts are he was targeted on purpose and they got over on him.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 11:22 am
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:22 am to therick711
quote:the point of this thread is that he's been much better than tRant was making him out to be. Never said he was terrific. He's not a cover corner. Never was.
Yeah, he's been terrific
quote:Are you seriously trying to call DT a "huge liability"? Seriously?
Not a huge liability that everyone tries to exploit at all
quote:Are you trying to say that he's not a better cover corner than White or KT2? Is that shocking or bad?
just calling out performances that are below the standard of their teammates.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:23 am to SammyTiger
We've all been pretty critical of Thomas, but I think that's because we may have expected too much too soon with him coming back from injury. We all remember how well he was playing before he got hurt last year. I've felt bad for him more than anything else, because he just went through a tough rehab to get back on the field, and we can all see that he isn't all the way back yet. The speed to be a true cover guy just isn't there.
He did play better Saturday, and he definitely came up with the big-play there at the end. Let's all tip our caps, and hope he comes out strong after the open date. Hopefully, he can shift to being more of a dime guy with Mills back.
He did play better Saturday, and he definitely came up with the big-play there at the end. Let's all tip our caps, and hope he comes out strong after the open date. Hopefully, he can shift to being more of a dime guy with Mills back.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 11:25 am
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:23 am to therick711
quote:let a slot receiver eat his lunch all day on 1/9.
Tyrann Mathieu
quote:probably got more hate than DT on here.
Ron Brooks
quote:bruh
Rashard Robinson
quote:you can thank the corners for that... not DT
The facts are he was targeted on purpose
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:24 am to ell_13
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Are you trying to say that he's not a better cover corner than White or KT2? Is that shocking or bad?
His game reminds me of Danny McCray or Micah Eugene. It isn't the kids fault that they use him in coverage, that's coaching. But let's not act (like you are) that he isn't by far the weakest link on the defense. He is a huge liability. That's why he gets targeted nonstop.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:24 am to misey94
quote:He was in a completely different position last year
I think that's because we may have expected too much too soon with him coming back from injury. We all remember how well he was playing
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:25 am to ell_13
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let a slot receiver eat his lunch all day on 1/9.
For 40 yards? You just told me that Dwayne Thomas was great because he only gave up 50 yards to USC on the first 6 targets. What is the standard?
No one hated on Brooks. Link a thread. Your analysis on this is simply wrong, period.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:25 am to ell_13
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He was in a completely different position last year
He was the dime back and designated blitzer before he was hurt.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 11:27 am
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:27 am to therick711
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His game reminds me of Danny McCray or Micah Eugene. It isn't the kids fault that they use him in coverage, that's coaching. But let's not act (like you are) that he isn't by far the weakest link on the defense. He is a huge liability. That's why he gets targeted nonstop.
I don't know if you can blame the coaches if Paris just isn't getting it. With Mills out, it looks like they went with Thomas out of sheer necessity.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:28 am to misey94
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I don't know if you can blame the coaches if Paris just isn't getting it. With Mills out, it looks like they went with Thomas out of sheer necessity.
My point is, it isn't Thomas' fault they ask him to do things that he struggles mightily to do. That is scheme and coaching. Now, if they HAVE to ask him to do those things, that's fine, but it doesn't mean he is good or isn't a liability. It just means that we have to live with a weakness and that's the one we're stuck with.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:28 am to ell_13
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I think that's because we may have expected too much too soon with him coming back from injury. We all remember how well he was playing He was in a completely different position last year
I understand that. It just didn't stop a lot of people on the rant from expecting him to just slide right over into the nickel spot and lock everything down while Mills was out.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:30 am to therick711
quote:Mathieu did little to stop Alabama’s wide receiver Kevin Norwood last night, allowing Norwood to catch four passes for 78 yards, with his longest catch being 26 yards. LINK
For 40 yards?
And that was BETTER than than the first time we faced Bama that year.
quote:you and i both know I'm not wasting time on that
No one hated on Brooks. Link a thread.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:30 am to therick711
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My point is, it isn't Thomas' fault they ask him to do things that he struggles mightily to do. That is scheme and coaching. Now, if they HAVE to ask him to do those things, that's fine, but it doesn't mean he is good or isn't a liability. It just means that we have to live with a weakness and that's the one we're stuck with.
Totally agree. With Mills coming back, maybe he can slide back over in his old position and knock it out again.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:30 am to harry coleman beast
He isn't a corner at all...He's a safety...
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:32 am to therick711
quote:jesus
he struggles mightily
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