re: Mormons Taking Over Central Florida

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of course this pales in comparison to them not being able to be saved.

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In LDS dogma, worthy LDS black folks were always going to be "saved". To contend otherwise is incorrect and you know it.

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what is the empirical evidence that there wasn't a virgin named mary who gave birth?

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Name a single documented case of peer-reviewed human parthenogenesis. You know this as well. The concept of Virgin Birth is an excercise in faith, not medical science.

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in what way is christianity a fairy tale?

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You are too shallow to understand this characterization.
To be literal: A devout literal believer in Roman Catholic dogma must suspend belief in current science and medicine just as a devout literal believer in LDS dogma must (as well) suspend his belief in current science and medicine. For one of these two sects' adherents to call out the other's believers as fantastical or not realistic is a non sequitur.

You seemingly can't (or won't) understand this point. That's fine. It's valid whether you care to admit it or not. You've already knowingly written several untruths in this thread. So you are what we generally call a liar. Good luck.

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the average lds does not know quite a few things about the inner workings of the highest levels of leadership. i have brought this up with lds i have met on several occasions and they are a little bothered by it.

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This is spot on post. Many wonder why the Mormons simply accept as fact many of the things that those outside the LDS church would find outlandish. It's not a function of not being curious, but more a function of not placing much importance on it. The LDS church pushes all its members to find out for themselves if the doctrine is correct through prayer/fasting/pondering/etc. Obviously, the scripture in James 1:5 is prominent within the LDS faith because of this. Many, and I include myself here, feel that they've received a spiritual confirmation of the truthfulness of the doctrine; hence, why do I need to worry about what goes on within the upper echelons of the church if I feel God wants me to follow him via the LDS path? Everything else becomes a non-issue for me, and for most Mormons.

Every member of the LDS faith is fully aware of the bizarre teachings of Brigham Young, or if you're looking for something more modern, Bruce R. McConkie, but what most fail to realize is that we believe a prophet to be a prophet only when he's acting in that capacity. This simply means that the leaders of the church are men - fallible men. But, when speaking in the capacity as a prophet of God, we view him speaking as the mouthpiece of the Lord, and when he does, we esteem those words as if they come directly from our Savior.

Peter, having walked and talked with Christ, witnessing many of miracles, and having attended with him at the Mount of Configuration, denied him three times. Peter was the head apostle after Christ's passing. Does anyone discount Peter's words because of his denial? No.

It's the same with LDS prophets, in our estimation.

Once again, it's not that information is kept from us, it's just that most of us don't care or see the value in knowing of it.

HerbEaverstinks (clever), folks in the LDS church believe very few people will go to hell. The scriptures tell us that Cain (Son of Perdition) will likely be there because he sinned against knowledge (read, he had no need for faith, he knew God existed because he talked with him) and killed his brother. Almost all of us live by faith, not knowledge; hence, we're afforded a little more leeway as far as being spared the ultimate punishment.

That written, we believe in degrees of glory (sun, moon, stars). We also believe that the highest degree of glory will be extended to those who have met the requirements of that glory. Interestingly, most Mormons will not find themselves in the highest degree of glory for the same reasons most won't - they didn't meet the requirements. Point being, "if you're not Mormon, you will go to hell" is not any belief that is espoused by anyone with any knowledge in the LDS church.

As far as the vicarious work for the dead. This is also bad information you've received. We are not saving them by doing this work. We're providing those who have passed on with necessary ordinances (like baptism) that they cannot get on their own.

Christ told us that "except a man be born of water, and of the spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." If Christ being sinless was baptized, how much more do we need baptism being fallible?

The point is Christ never qualified that statement by saying that only certain people needed baptism. What about those who passed on before Christ came and taught that doctrine? How will they get their baptism?

This is why in the LDS temples, this work is performed for them through vicarious work for the dead. It is still up to them whether they'll accept it or not, but if they are not "saved," it won't be because they lacked a needed ordinance.

This is why the LDS church has such a significant database of genealogy. It facilitates this work. I know in my wife's family they've researched their family all the way back a thousand years, and ordinances were performed for these people vicariously through the temple.

It's nothing more than this. If you've heard more or less than this, you've likely received bad information. Hope that helps.

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The scriptures tell us that Cain (Son of Perdition) will likely be there because he sinned against knowledge (read, he had no need for faith, he knew God existed because he talked with him) and killed his brother. Almost all of us live by faith, not knowledge; hence, we're afforded a little more leeway as far as being spared the ultimate punishment.

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This actually sounds pretty reasonable.

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Southern Baptists still support human slavery.

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They do dont they?

7 pages and not one Jesus jammies joke yet, The OT is slipping.

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worthy LDS black folks were always going to be "saved". To contend otherwise is incorrect and you know it.

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perhaps you failed to read the link i provided about the curse of cain. those of dark skin were of the cursed lineage. do you know what that means? lucifer, the one rejected by the gods. iow, blacks are identified with lucifer, not jesus, the one accepted by the gods.

"the negro are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concern" (Mormon Doctrine, 527-28; 1966)

"after the flood we are told that the curse that had been pronounced upon Cain was continued through Ham's wife, as he had married a wife of that seed. And why did it pass through the flood? Because it was necessary that the devil should have a representation upon the earth as well as God" (Journal of Discourses, 7:290)

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Name a single documented case of peer-reviewed human parthenogenesis

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what does that have to do with a miracle? are you saying there are no miracles? if so, prove it.

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The concept of Virgin Birth is an excercise in faith, not medical science

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1. faith can be just as rational and reasonable as contemporary science.
2. science, qua methodological naturalism, is not an objective, thoroughly explanatory worldview.

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You've already knowingly written several untruths

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not one thing i have written is factually or objectively untrue. if you disagree, i invite you to prove me wrong. it's also presumptuous of you to state that i have and assume that you are objectively correct.

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not placing much importance on it

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i assure you they place a great deal of importance on it and thus, so do you. they, and necessarily you, consider it doctrine. you might not even know about it until they make it public. which leads to my next point.

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when he does, we esteem those words as if they come directly from our Savior.

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so you're ok with the doctrinal inconsistencies? how can your savior allow this?

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ordained lds minister

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Huh?