I keep giving you reasons, and you keep telling me I'm saying "just because." You're either stupid or obtuse. Everything I'm saying makes perfect sense; you just don't like it. You not liking something doesn't mean it makes no sense.

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In no way, shape, or form should a fumble that is not recovered be an automatic turnover. I don't care how "special" you think the out of bounds area around the endzone is.

Whose end zone?

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No, the "literal interpretation" is it's the zone that should be defended at all costs. Why should letting the ball slip into and then out of that zone, without recovering the ball, be a good thing for the defense?

Because the other team lost the ball in their end zone. Penetrate enemy lines and drop your guns at the last minute, and you lose the battle. Wanna change the rules of war too? I'll book a flight to Geneva.

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It should never, ever, ever be a good thing for a defense to allow an offense to put the football into their endzone.

The ball was fumbled. There is no offense or defense. That's why there's a blue bean bag on the ground. That's what you don't get.

You said the rule makes no sense. Obviously it makes sense. You don't like the rule. That doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense.

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Posted by Korkstand

Member since Nov 2003

28738 posts

Posted on 10/6/15 at 5:17 pm to ballscaster

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I keep giving you reasons, and you keep telling me I'm saying "just because." You're either stupid or obtuse. Everything I'm saying makes perfect sense; you just don't like it. You not liking something doesn't mean it makes no sense.

Your line of reasoning goes like this: if you fumble out of bounds in the opponent's endzone, it's a turnover and touchback. Duh! What don't you get?!

I don't like the rule because it doesn't make sense.

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Whose end zone?

You know what endzone we're talking about! You're being obtuse again.

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Because the other team lost the ball in their end zone. Penetrate enemy lines and drop your guns at the last minute, and you lose the battle. Wanna change the rules of war too? I'll book a flight to Geneva.

This is not 'Nam, this is football. There are rules!

This isn't war. There are no guns. It is a game that is supposed to pit one man's skill vs. another's. It is supposed to be fair, and it is supposed to reward strength, speed, skill, strategy, and effort over dumb luck. Yet here we have a rule that punishes goal line effort more than effort anywhere else on the field should a player fumble. It rewards dumb luck when an oblong ball happens to bounce out of bounds in a particular part of the field. It encourages players to "accidentally" knock the ball out of bounds rather than make the effort to try to possess it. It is a technicality that hampers the flow of the game. To just accept that just because the ball goes out of bounds in the endzone that it should be a touchback is simple-minded. It is an attempt to be consistent in touchback rules, while ignoring the fact that it's inconsistent with fumble recovery rules and inconsistent with the spirit of the game.

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The ball was fumbled. There is no offense or defense. That's why there's a blue bean bag on the ground. That's what you don't get.

But there IS still an offense and a defense. If there weren't, every fumble would result in a new set of downs. There also wouldn't be special rules for who can and cannot advance a fumble. If you can't accept that simple fact, no wonder you aren't getting why the rule needs to be changed.