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re: Calling Resident Oenophiles......
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:33 am to lilwineman
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:33 am to lilwineman
I was woefully ignorant on French wine and found it to be confusing as frick. Just tell me the varietal, damnit.
But, I'm trying to learn so that I'm not a complete idiot when I go to Paris at the end of November.
Really dumbed down version:
Burgundy = (red) Pinot Noir, (white) Chardonnay
Loire Valley (white) = Sauvignon Blanc
Right? Because that's mostly what we drink so that's kind of what I need to know.
I'm going to be in there the week after Beaujolais Nouveau...any of that worth drinking the following week or is it all shite?
But, I'm trying to learn so that I'm not a complete idiot when I go to Paris at the end of November.
Really dumbed down version:
Burgundy = (red) Pinot Noir, (white) Chardonnay
Loire Valley (white) = Sauvignon Blanc
Right? Because that's mostly what we drink so that's kind of what I need to know.
I'm going to be in there the week after Beaujolais Nouveau...any of that worth drinking the following week or is it all shite?
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Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:40 am to Fun Bunch
I have a dear friend who is a pretty well respected wine maker in Cali. He is not pretentious at all and gave me this simple advice. When smelling a red, look thoughtful and say "Mmmmm, currant." When Smelling a white do the same but say "Mmmmm, melon."
That's one. But I agree with you that there are freaks, and I mean %.01 of the population, that can distinguish the subtleties you are talking about. But I think the vast majority are faking it.
And the bottom line to me is does the consumer enjoy the product and are they willing to pay for it. Not whether they can give you the ph of the dirt the grape was grown in.
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And Artie, let me guess you read that one article that everyone seems to fall back on I'm guessing.
That's one. But I agree with you that there are freaks, and I mean %.01 of the population, that can distinguish the subtleties you are talking about. But I think the vast majority are faking it.
And the bottom line to me is does the consumer enjoy the product and are they willing to pay for it. Not whether they can give you the ph of the dirt the grape was grown in.
This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 10:45 am
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:45 am to Fun Bunch
Bordeaux: left bank red (can) right bank red (merlot)
Burgundy...you have correct, however there are other grapes grown there ie Sauv blanc in St Bris
Loire: much more in depth: at the coast is muscadet (melon de bourgogne)...then you have savennieres and quarts de chaume/bonnezeaux (Chenin blanc)...chinon, bourgeuil, and saumur (cab franc)...then Sancerre and pouilly fume (Sauv blanc...Sancerre rouge is Pinot noir)
Rhone; south (red Grenache dominant with Syrah and Mourvèdre white: Grenache blanc, Marsanne, roussanne) north (red is Syrah white is Viognier in condrieu and hermitage blanc would be Marsanne and roussanne)
Champagne is Pinot noir, Chardonnay, and Pinot meunier
Alsace does mostly whites: Pinot Gris, Muscat, Pinot blanc, Riesling, and Gewürztraminer
Burgundy...you have correct, however there are other grapes grown there ie Sauv blanc in St Bris
Loire: much more in depth: at the coast is muscadet (melon de bourgogne)...then you have savennieres and quarts de chaume/bonnezeaux (Chenin blanc)...chinon, bourgeuil, and saumur (cab franc)...then Sancerre and pouilly fume (Sauv blanc...Sancerre rouge is Pinot noir)
Rhone; south (red Grenache dominant with Syrah and Mourvèdre white: Grenache blanc, Marsanne, roussanne) north (red is Syrah white is Viognier in condrieu and hermitage blanc would be Marsanne and roussanne)
Champagne is Pinot noir, Chardonnay, and Pinot meunier
Alsace does mostly whites: Pinot Gris, Muscat, Pinot blanc, Riesling, and Gewürztraminer
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:30 am to Fun Bunch
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Just tell me the varietal, damnit.
Anglo saxon wines and consumers (especially US Americans) are funny in this respect.
Just tell me the Denomination of Origin, damnit. Then, let´s talk about the grape.
The terrain and climate play a GREAT part in what a wine is or isn´t.
ETA Also, the mere mention of a DO will with great frequency, denote a varietal (as eons of wine making have perfected what is ideal in a specific area).
This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 11:39 am
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:49 am to Fun Bunch
To the OP: "Wine for Dummies" is a great intro book, believe it or not.
The key thing about wine is this: everyone who drinks even a little bit of wine wants to act like they know as much as lilwineman; they don't. Unless they're a sommelier, they don't know all about all wines. They may, however, know a little about some wines (like me, for example).
So, know how to identify someone who might know a little something? If they straight up say "I'm only really familiar with wines from ________." If they don't do this and instead act like they know as much as a sommelier, discard everything they say. They're hacks.
Beaujolais Nouveau is shite, but it gives you a sneak preview of that year. Beaujolais typically should be drunk young, but a couple of days is a bit too early. They're more than fine after a year though. They're an easy and accessible wine.
Just spent about a week there in September, actually. Fantastic place for a casual wine lover. I'm fairly sure that only lilwineman will understand my name at first glance
The key thing about wine is this: everyone who drinks even a little bit of wine wants to act like they know as much as lilwineman; they don't. Unless they're a sommelier, they don't know all about all wines. They may, however, know a little about some wines (like me, for example).
So, know how to identify someone who might know a little something? If they straight up say "I'm only really familiar with wines from ________." If they don't do this and instead act like they know as much as a sommelier, discard everything they say. They're hacks.
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I was woefully ignorant on French wine and found it to be confusing as frick. Just tell me the varietal, damnit.
But, I'm trying to learn so that I'm not a complete idiot when I go to Paris at the end of November.
Really dumbed down version:
Burgundy = (red) Pinot Noir, (white) Chardonnay
Loire Valley (white) = Sauvignon Blanc
Right? Because that's mostly what we drink so that's kind of what I need to know.
I'm going to be in there the week after Beaujolais Nouveau...any of that worth drinking the following week or is it all shite?
Beaujolais Nouveau is shite, but it gives you a sneak preview of that year. Beaujolais typically should be drunk young, but a couple of days is a bit too early
. They're more than fine after a year though. They're an easy and accessible wine. Just spent about a week there in September, actually. Fantastic place for a casual wine lover. I'm fairly sure that only lilwineman will understand my name at first glance
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