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Here's why I'm ok with us running the football Saturday
Posted on 9/14/15 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 9/14/15 at 2:55 pm
After a long anticipated opening game of the season, I was a bag of mixed emotions all throughout this game, which has become the norm for LSU football. In the first half I was irrationally thinking this LSU team would not be stopped by anybody. I loved the defense, I loved the offense. It was just fun to watch. As I watched our lead slowly slip away, with Mississippi State having a chance to win it at the end, I was frustrated with the play calling and pissed off like everybody else. After a few days, and no alcohol, I'm somewhat understanding the approach.
1) First and foremost....Fournette looked like the beast we all knew he was. Us throwing the football would mean less touches for him. He's as much of a home run threat touching the football as any passing play we may run.
2) Our defense looked great in the first half, but the major concern we all knew was depth in the trenches and at line backer. Our defense ran out of gas late in the game and it showed. Running the ball took time off the clock, and made our defense play less downs. Of course there is the 3 and out argument, and our defense getting right back on the field, but you have to go back to #1...you don't expect much three-and-out with Fournette running the football.
3) The plan was obviously to ease Harris into the starting position. The coaching staff was dead set on not letting him cost us the game, and possibly costing Harris his confidence. He looked great in his limited opportunities though.
Things will obviously have to change in order for LSU to have the type of season we all hope, but we accomplished the goal in week 1/2 of the season and got a road SEC win. Would things have looked different on offense if we would have played McNeese??? Who knows, but that is a moot point now.
We now know we can have a defense that we all wanted, but they are thin and the opportunity for them to run out of gas is a real threat every game. Hopefully that becomes less and less of a problem as the season rolls on. We also know we have an offense capable of putting together nice drives, but penalties will have to be cut way down and we will have to take the hand cuffs off of Harris and allow him to make a mistake.
1) First and foremost....Fournette looked like the beast we all knew he was. Us throwing the football would mean less touches for him. He's as much of a home run threat touching the football as any passing play we may run.
2) Our defense looked great in the first half, but the major concern we all knew was depth in the trenches and at line backer. Our defense ran out of gas late in the game and it showed. Running the ball took time off the clock, and made our defense play less downs. Of course there is the 3 and out argument, and our defense getting right back on the field, but you have to go back to #1...you don't expect much three-and-out with Fournette running the football.
3) The plan was obviously to ease Harris into the starting position. The coaching staff was dead set on not letting him cost us the game, and possibly costing Harris his confidence. He looked great in his limited opportunities though.
Things will obviously have to change in order for LSU to have the type of season we all hope, but we accomplished the goal in week 1/2 of the season and got a road SEC win. Would things have looked different on offense if we would have played McNeese??? Who knows, but that is a moot point now.
We now know we can have a defense that we all wanted, but they are thin and the opportunity for them to run out of gas is a real threat every game. Hopefully that becomes less and less of a problem as the season rolls on. We also know we have an offense capable of putting together nice drives, but penalties will have to be cut way down and we will have to take the hand cuffs off of Harris and allow him to make a mistake.
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Posted on 9/14/15 at 2:59 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Running the ball is not the issue.
We all know we are a run first team.
The issue is that once we got a 14-3 lead the play calling became conservative beyond words and nearly let State steal the game.
It's not like we were running and getting 7 yards every play. They were stuffing is at the line and even though LF would occasionally break one, they were still forcing too many 3 and outs. Again, that nearly cost the game.
Not only that, we were riunning out of formations that told everyone watching exactly what was coming.
We all know we are a run first team.
The issue is that once we got a 14-3 lead the play calling became conservative beyond words and nearly let State steal the game.
It's not like we were running and getting 7 yards every play. They were stuffing is at the line and even though LF would occasionally break one, they were still forcing too many 3 and outs. Again, that nearly cost the game.
Not only that, we were riunning out of formations that told everyone watching exactly what was coming.
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 9/14/15 at 3:00 pm to LACountyTiger
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The issue is that once we got a 14-3 lead the play calling became conservative beyond words and nearly let State steal the game.
It's not like we were running and getting 7 yards every play. They were stuffing is at the line and even though LF would occasionally break one, they were still forcing too many 3 and outs. Again, that nearly cost the game.
Not only that, we were riunning out of formations that told everyone watching exactly what was coming.
We have a winner! Ding Ding.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 3:04 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Yeah but in a game LSU was dominating for 3 quarters there is no excuse for MSU running that many more plays than us
Posted on 9/14/15 at 3:06 pm to LACountyTiger
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It's not like we were running and getting 7 yards every play. They were stuffing is at the line and even though LF would occasionally break one, they were still forcing too many 3 and outs. Again, that nearly cost the game.
That's easy to say now, but those running plays were taking precious time off the clock. If we throw a few incomplete passes, then the clock stops and the game may have went the other way. If we throw an interception, then the game may have went the other way.
Will it have to change for us to beat Auburn, Alabama, aTm, Arkansas, Florida...probably so, but bottom line is it got us a win and there was a reasoning for doing it and it worked. It might have barely worked, but it worked.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 3:07 pm to LACountyTiger
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It's not like we were running and getting 7 yards every play.
Yea, it was 6.
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They were stuffing is at the line and even though LF would occasionally break one
Averaged 6.3 on 8 attempts in the 4th.
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Not only that, we were riunning out of formations that told everyone watching exactly what was coming.
And they still had almost 6 yards/attempt. Running was not the issue
Posted on 9/14/15 at 3:09 pm to LACountyTiger
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The issue is that once we got a 14-3 lead the play calling became conservative beyond words and nearly let State steal the game.
This.
Les/Cam have to figure out how to keep the pedal on the gas. I get running the football, especially when fournette is having a night but if we can pass the ball just a little bit (not just on 3rd downs trying to convert) IMAGINE what fournette could do with only having 7 or less in the box. State damn near loaded the box with 8 sometimes 9 guys. When teams do this we have to start throwing the ball to stretch the D out and we need long drives to keep our defense fresh. Our defense was real good Saturday and they were on the field a lot in the second half.
I know we were away in cowbell hell and it's tough to trust BH right now but they almost let that game slip and had they it would of been MELTDOWN CITYYYY
Les got away with another madhat/lucky as hell moment. Hopefully he learns he needs to spread it out a little bit more. I think at home vs Aub we will do so. Time will tell.
Oh yeah, fournette is a beast... as well as D Will
Going to be fun to watch this stable of backs run for quite some time
Posted on 9/14/15 at 3:10 pm to LNCHBOX
How many points did we score in the 4th quarter? How many first downs? How many punts?
Nobody is suggesting that we should have run the no huddle, throw every play offense, but not mixing it up and telegraphing our plays nearly lost the game.
Nobody is suggesting that we should have run the no huddle, throw every play offense, but not mixing it up and telegraphing our plays nearly lost the game.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 3:11 pm to LACountyTiger
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How many points did we score in the 4th quarter? How many first downs? How many punts?
Nobody is suggesting that we should have run the no huddle, throw every play offense, but not mixing it up and telegraphing our plays nearly lost the game.
Taking the ball out of LF's hands if anything nearly cost us the game. Go look at the play by play and tell me why anyone other than him should have touched the ball in the 4th.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 3:12 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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If we throw a few incomplete passes, then the clock stops and the game may have went the other way. If we throw an interception, then the game may have went the other way.
There was very little that Miss. State's secondary was doing to make one think that a pass attempt on first down would be ill advised.
The first TD pass to Dural was clearly blown coverage, and when LSU RBs did make it to the next level, the secondary wasn't exactly inspiring fear with their "tackling".
but whatever, a win is a win.
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 9/14/15 at 3:12 pm to LACountyTiger
Another thing.
A lot of people keep saying, we'll look at the yards per carry.
Yes it was fine. Just imagine how much better it would be and how much better LF would look if the opposing defense thought we might throw.
A lot of people keep saying, we'll look at the yards per carry.
Yes it was fine. Just imagine how much better it would be and how much better LF would look if the opposing defense thought we might throw.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 3:13 pm to LACountyTiger
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Yes it was fine. Just imagine how much better it would be and how much better LF would look if the opposing defense thought we might throw.
Do we also get to imagine if MSU had more time on that final drive?
Posted on 9/14/15 at 3:14 pm to LACountyTiger
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Nobody is suggesting that we should have run the no huddle, throw every play offense, but not mixing it up and telegraphing our plays nearly lost the game.
But nobody is looking at the flip side of that. Let's say on two of those 3 and out drives we passed on first down and it was incomplete. We run on second down and then pass on third and it's incomplete, or we don't get the first. We are talking about adding an extra 2-3 minutes to the game. Does anybody believe we could have stopped MSU from scoring on that last drive to take the lead if they had more time??
Now I completely understand, if we throw it around a little and get some first downs and put together drives then we can possibly score and put it out of reach, or extend drives and take more time off the clock. We don't know if that would have happened or not though. We were likely to stop the clock, or even worse, throw an interception and be on the losing end of the scoreboard at the end of the night. Who do you trust more in that situation Fournette running or Harris passing?
Posted on 9/14/15 at 3:15 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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Does anybody believe we could have stopped MSU from scoring on that last drive to take the lead if they had more time??
Well, since we held them to a long FG on a 4th down, I say yes. But that doesn't invalidate your point.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 3:17 pm to LNCHBOX
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Well, since we held them to a long FG on a 4th down, I say yes. But that doesn't invalidate your point.
Their play calling could/would have been different with time not winding down also. It seems the only factor we are taking into consideration is LSU not passing late in the game.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 3:19 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
The offensive game plan lacks sufficient variation to keep a defense just a tad off balance. No way LSU lines up and dares the coming string of SEC defenses to stop what is coming. The defense is good, but thin at this point so a big lead in quarter 4 may be a necessity from time to time. Why would CLM not have the confidence in his players to throw the ball on downs 1/2 and/or when LSU is up by double digits?
Posted on 9/14/15 at 5:09 pm to LACountyTiger
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Running the ball is not the issue.
We all know we are a run first team.
The issue is that once we got a 14-3 lead the play calling became conservative beyond words and nearly let State steal the game.
It's not like we were running and getting 7 yards every play. They were stuffing is at the line and even though LF would occasionally break one, they were still forcing too many 3 and outs. Again, that nearly cost the game.
Not only that, we were riunning out of formations that told everyone watching exactly what was coming.
Have an upvote good sir
Posted on 9/14/15 at 5:17 pm to White Tiger
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The offensive game plan lacks sufficient variation to keep a defense just a tad off balance
I am assuming that you have actually seen the official game plan. Please tell us more, like how and when you viewed it.
Thank you.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 5:20 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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at's easy to say now, but those running plays were taking precious time off the clock. If we throw a few incomplete passes, then the clock stops and the game may have went the other way. If we throw an interception, then the game may have went the other way.
Harris threw incompletaions in the 4th quarter. It was conservative but it worked. We weren't just going 3 and out. Penalties took a lot of yards off. Refs made a bad call.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 5:21 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Another 10 seconds on the clock or a kick ten feet to the left and we lose the game. Are you alright with that?
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