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re: asik out of eurobasket...back spasms
Posted on 7/26/15 at 5:27 pm to brmark70816
Posted on 7/26/15 at 5:27 pm to brmark70816
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but i don't like tall point guards that lack speed
Lacks speed?
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He is also a priveldged white kid that went to a practically ivy league school. Not much to admire in that struggle.
For all the reasons to not like a guy
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I am the original Gordon hater. I will never like or root for him, ever. He can never make up the last 4 seasons to me. He is a theif. Plus is a total shell of the athlete he used to be. To even get back even, he'd have to be all pro and lead the team to the finals. Then i might warm up to him.. maybe..
So you can't even acknowledge personal growth? Or even that he's changed his game for the team?
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I love basketball and i want the Pelicans to be successful. Until then, i want a team i like and players I can pull for. I get i won't like everybody on the team. Thats why i bitch on here..
You just constantly like taking the other side. You also make statements that make you seem ultracrepidarian. No one is asking you to like a player or not but you're bringing up stupid reasons like they're not hungry or homegrown or shite like that. You're stuck in the past.
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Almost every star or great player is homegrown. It takes time or an angle for a fanbase to embrace a player. Its not an original thing for me to bring up..
Yet you haven't even given some guys on this team a shot.
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Also every major guy for the Spurs was drafted by them and Aldridge took less money to play in Texas.. bad example..
Because the spurs are a winning org. No shite any player would like to play for them. The texas thing is a bonus,not the big time reason.
Yes they drafted their core over a decade ago but some of their bigger role players in that run were journeymen.
Establish a winning culture and guys WILL come. Dell has done a good job of finding guys that are hungry(Cole/QPon/DC/Ajinca/Gee etc) and added a guy that will instill some fire and toughness(perk). I also love the coaches they've brought on.
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Posted on 7/26/15 at 6:19 pm to LosLobos111
This is what you do. You grab one point of someone's statement and you try to catch them with it, to win a debate. You do this constantly. Your first two quotes of mine and rebuttals are perfect representations. Yes, Holiday has average speed. Probably even less now, since his feet are jacked up. But you didn't touch any of the other parts. Why? Maybe you know I have a point or just too difficult to refute. Then Anderson. You went straight to the white, upper class part. Nothing about the fact that I don't respect his game. Which is kind of a much bigger point. Which is sad, cause I openly pull for almost every white guy in the league.
He changed his game cause that is the only way for him to play anymore. He can't jump or get by anybody. He's just not the same athlete. Plus no. I don't think it's great when one of the top 20 or so highest paid players in the league becomes a nice role player on a team that barely makes the playoffs. I'm not going to forget his bitch stance for 3 seasons or taking half the seasons off, training away from the team or demanding franchise money and then running to the corner and sulking instead of becoming a leader. He took the back seat and did nothing to help Davis get the team over the top. Then when it does, he wants to play Mr. Good guy and act like everything was always cool. F him. I can't wait for him to be gone.
That's why I never talk about him. I haven't really acknowledged him for years. It's just better to act like he doesn't exist and celebrate when he finally is gone.
Maybe this is a fair point. But then you would be guilty of the exact same thing on the other side. How could we constantly disagree? Plus I back up everything I say. Sure I am wrong sometimes. That's cause it's my opinion. But I admit it and then move on.
Being homegrown is important to a lot of people. It's a great way for fans to attach themselves to players. The team needs fans. It helps a team prosper and get better. I don't think that is an old school way of thinking. This team has checked out of the draft and local players for years. It's a nice way to build up a fan base. Something the team has failed to do..
Like who? I have grown to like a lot of guys. Jack, Thornton, Vasquez, Smith.. I was rooting for Rivers, had big hopes for Jimmer, R. Smith and P. Jackson (even though the last two never played for us). I really was pulling for P. Young to make the team. I tend to watch and follow guards more. You know my feeling on Gordon and the Holiday/Evans pairing is just unworkable. One always plays so much better without the other..
The Texas thing was a big deal for Aldridge and you keep saying core, like its a couple of guys. The Spurs drafted and developed over half of their team. The "role players" you are pointing to, were scrubs and guys they resurrected (Diaw, Green and Belinelli). K. Leonard is about to be a top 20 player. He wasn't drafted a decade ago. Neither was P. Mills or K. Anderson (that jut won best summer league player in his group). I get it's not the only way to build a team. But it is the proven way..
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So you can't even acknowledge personal growth? Or even that he's changed his game for the team?
He changed his game cause that is the only way for him to play anymore. He can't jump or get by anybody. He's just not the same athlete. Plus no. I don't think it's great when one of the top 20 or so highest paid players in the league becomes a nice role player on a team that barely makes the playoffs. I'm not going to forget his bitch stance for 3 seasons or taking half the seasons off, training away from the team or demanding franchise money and then running to the corner and sulking instead of becoming a leader. He took the back seat and did nothing to help Davis get the team over the top. Then when it does, he wants to play Mr. Good guy and act like everything was always cool. F him. I can't wait for him to be gone.
That's why I never talk about him. I haven't really acknowledged him for years. It's just better to act like he doesn't exist and celebrate when he finally is gone.
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You just constantly like taking the other side. You also make statements that make you seem ultracrepidarian. No one is asking you to like a player or not but you're bringing up stupid reasons like they're not hungry or homegrown or shite like that. You're stuck in the past.
Maybe this is a fair point. But then you would be guilty of the exact same thing on the other side. How could we constantly disagree? Plus I back up everything I say. Sure I am wrong sometimes. That's cause it's my opinion. But I admit it and then move on.
Being homegrown is important to a lot of people. It's a great way for fans to attach themselves to players. The team needs fans. It helps a team prosper and get better. I don't think that is an old school way of thinking. This team has checked out of the draft and local players for years. It's a nice way to build up a fan base. Something the team has failed to do..
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Yet you haven't even given some guys on this team a shot.
Like who? I have grown to like a lot of guys. Jack, Thornton, Vasquez, Smith.. I was rooting for Rivers, had big hopes for Jimmer, R. Smith and P. Jackson (even though the last two never played for us). I really was pulling for P. Young to make the team. I tend to watch and follow guards more. You know my feeling on Gordon and the Holiday/Evans pairing is just unworkable. One always plays so much better without the other..
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Because the spurs are a winning org. No shite any player would like to play for them. The texas thing is a bonus,not the big time reason. Yes they drafted their core over a decade ago but some of their bigger role players in that run were journeymen. Establish a winning culture and guys WILL come. Dell has done a good job of finding guys that are hungry(Cole/QPon/DC/Ajinca/Gee etc) and added a guy that will instill some fire and toughness(perk). I also love the coaches they've brought on.
The Texas thing was a big deal for Aldridge and you keep saying core, like its a couple of guys. The Spurs drafted and developed over half of their team. The "role players" you are pointing to, were scrubs and guys they resurrected (Diaw, Green and Belinelli). K. Leonard is about to be a top 20 player. He wasn't drafted a decade ago. Neither was P. Mills or K. Anderson (that jut won best summer league player in his group). I get it's not the only way to build a team. But it is the proven way..
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