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OTL on student athletes getting out of trouble....

Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:31 pm
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:31 pm
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From 2009 to 2014, male basketball and football players at the University of Florida and Florida State University avoided criminal charges or prosecution on average two-thirds of the time when named as suspects in police documents, a result far exceeding that of non-athlete males in the same age range, an Outside the Lines investigation has found.


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, Outside the Lines requested police reports involving all football and men's basketball players on rosters from 2009 to 2014 from campus and city police departments covering 10 major programs: Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Michigan State, Missouri, Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, Texas A&M and Wisconsin. Some police departments withheld records citing state disclosure laws. (ESPN sued the University of Notre Dame and Michigan State University for not releasing material; both cases are pending on appeal.) And not all information was uniform among jurisdictions.


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Florida, had the most athletes -- 80 -- named as suspects in more than 100 crimes at Florida. Yet the athletes either never faced charges, had charges against them dropped or were not prosecuted 56 percent of the time. When Outside the Lines examined a comparison set of cases involving college-age males in Gainesville, 28 percent of the crimes ended either without a record of charges being filed or by charges eventually being dropped.

Florida State had the second-highest number of athletes named in criminal allegations: 66 men's basketball and football athletes. In 70 percent of those incidents, the athletes either never faced charges, had charges against them dropped or were not prosecuted. By comparison, cases ended up without being prosecuted 50 percent of the time among a sample of crimes involving college-age males in Tallahassee.
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In a Florida State University Police Department case from August 2012, officers asked a football player if they could examine his car in connection with a possible hit-and-run, but he told them he was busy and would call back later. He did so but never reached an officer. Officers ultimately heard from FSU associate athletic director Monk Bonasorte, who asked if he could bring the vehicle to the police station "due to [the player] being in a mandatory football meeting."


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A civil lawsuit filed this year against Florida State for how it addressed allegations of sexual assault against quarterback Jameis Winston includes an allegation that Bonasorte did not permit Tallahassee police detectives to contact two witnesses, who were also football players, until after Bonasorte had called attorneys for them.


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That Tom Seeberg said police could not find the athlete on campus or at practice didn't surprise former Notre Dame police officer Pat Cottrell, who said a university policy prevented campus police from approaching athletes at any athletic facility. Further, the university would not allow anyone on the athletic staff to be contacted for help in finding a player, he said.


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When a woman told Columbia, Missouri, police in April 2014 that football player Dorial Green-Beckham had forced a door open and pushed her down the stairs in the apartment she shared with Green-Beckham's girlfriend, the girlfriend texted the alleged victim to persuade her to tell police to drop the charges.

"He will be kicked out of Mizzou and then not qualify for the [NFL] draft next year. The coaches talked to me and explained how serious this is and there's no time to waste at this point."
The alleged victim told police she wanted to drop the case: "She stated she was afraid of the media and community backlash since Green-Beckham is a football player," the report states. "[She] was afraid of being harassed and having her property damaged just because she was the victim. [She] stated she did not want to deal with the mental stress of the whole ordeal; it was already making her physically sick to think about it."

She had reason to be fearful. On TigerBoard.com, a popular online forum for Missouri fans, the name-calling and harassment had begun: "Which loser arse snitch called the cops over some drunk kids arguing?" "Snitches get stitches!" "No, just a jersey chaser looking for $." "Jock sniffin for dark meat team." "Is gold digging a sport?"


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If people have information and they're afraid to provide it because of the notoriety, we do our best to encourage that openness. But it's hard to provide anonymity to witnesses because the accused have the right to know who's accusing them of crimes," Gloede said


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Many of the alleged victims, mostly women, spoke to Outside the Lines on the condition their names not be revealed. They described fans who showed up at their workplaces to harass them; vulgar, sexual insults on the phone, in email and social media; and even death threats toward them and their relatives.



I think if we venture to the SEC Rant we see a lot of the same things, when a popular athlete gets in trouble.

LINK


TL:DR version.... schools protect student athletes.... people are fearful to come out against them because "fans" then start threatening victims, or schools bully victims... Student athletes can be the victim of scandal because they are popular.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
88946 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:39 pm to
I'm in a group text with a UF fan and 2 FSU fans. Today has been miserable with their arguing over what team is worse
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:40 pm to
I found it interesting that some schools only provided partial information to make themselves look better.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
88946 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:47 pm to
Living in Florida, and being in either Gainsville or Tallahassee every week during football season, makes the stats for the 2 towns interesting as hell to me.

58% of UF athletes get arrested without being prosecuted while 28% of fellow students of the same age don't get prosecuted.

At FSU those numbers are 70% and 50%

Might be wrong here but is that because of a completely different way of policing? Gainsville is horrible. Feel like I can't even fart without a PO threatening me there. Everyone I know has been arrested there.

Tallahassee seems like it has no police. People that have lived there will probably disagree but as a visitor, I feel like I'm pretty much free to do whatever.

I've always had a theory that UF police arrest people for everything and they get off. While FSU police look the other way but if you get arrested your chances of getting off aren't as good.

I think that's what the numbers say.

This post was edited on 6/14/15 at 1:50 pm
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29473 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:56 pm to
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I think if we venture to the SEC Rant we see a lot of the same things, when a popular athlete gets in trouble.


That, and 5'10" accountants from Alabama gloating over the misfortune of La'el Collins, insinuating that he's a thug, etc. That forum is an abortion and takes rednecks trash talking to a new level.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:59 pm to
LSU fans are just as bad, I saw some stuff from LSU fans when he was accused that was downright pitiful.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 2:00 pm to
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Living in Florida, and being in either Gainsville or Tallahassee every week during football season, makes the stats for the 2 towns interesting as hell to me.

58% of UF athletes get arrested without being prosecuted while 28% of fellow students of the same age don't get prosecuted.

At FSU those numbers are 70% and 50%

If you read they mention at Michigan State ALL students are given counsel and the non-student athletes actually have a higher success rate of not getting prosecuted 66% to 62%
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 2:04 pm to
they should have pushed the timeline back to include all the urban years
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115633 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 2:08 pm to
Florida gonna florida
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115633 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 2:10 pm to
The SECr is the worst thing to ever happen to TD
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
88946 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 2:16 pm to
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If you read they mention at Michigan State ALL students are given counsel and the non-student athletes actually have a higher success rate of not getting prosecuted 66% to 62%
Holy shite Those numbers can't be ignored. Having, or being able to afford councel, is absolutely enormous in our legal system.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 2:18 pm to
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Michigan State might prove an example of what happens when everyone is afforded the same legal counsel; students there can get a free defense attorney through the school's student legal services.

As a result, East Lansing Police spokesman Lt. Steve Gonzalez said, a lot of Michigan State students get attorneys for even the most minor cases, such as a ticket for having alcohol in public. And those same attorneys show up on athletes' misdemeanor cases.

When Outside the Lines analyzed the results of case dispositions involving Michigan State students compared to a set of East Lansing cases involving college-age males, there appeared to be no discrepancy like seen at Florida State and Florida. About 62 percent of MSU athlete cases resulted in no record, dismissal or plea to a lesser charge of civil infraction; among the comparison set, it was 66 percent.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
88946 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 2:26 pm to
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Florida gonna florida

I'm pretty sure this explains most of this
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
88946 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 2:27 pm to
Awesome, but not surprising at all. It's how our legal system seems to work.
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 2:42 pm to
Man, I really wish ESPN would quit trying to be fricking PBS and just get back to actually showing sports.
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
14607 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 2:58 pm to
Unlike several of those Cities, the CoMo police, do not play games, and put notches in their belts when they strike gold and are able to nail a Missouri athlete.

Edit, drug shite was in Springfield, in CoMo, GF refused to press charges. But CoMo police don't frick around. Then add in Boone County, who i believe nailed Pinkel on the DWI.

So unless an investigator fricks up, ur going down, if CoMo or Boone County get you while at Missouri.

This post was edited on 6/14/15 at 3:00 pm
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42123 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 2:59 pm to
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The SECr is the worst thing to ever happen to TD


Unless you are the one profiting from the sponsorship......
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42123 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 3:00 pm to
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Man, I really wish ESPN would quit trying to be fricking PBS and just get back to actually showing sports.


Wow, what about their report wasn't related to sports?
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
106260 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 3:01 pm to
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The SECr is the worst thing to ever happen to TD


Yes, because we never saw fans say and do some of the same things on TD centric boards pre-SEC Rant.

As far as the OP, this coming from ESPN is hilarious given that they've contributed to turning a blind eye to the issue for years. This isn't some new revelation. They're just seeing the viewership value in being a "whistleblower" type network.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115633 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 3:03 pm to
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Unless you are the one profiting from the sponsorship......


Well yeah

But it's like the First Take of TD
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