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re: Tobias Harris
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:21 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:21 pm to TigerinATL
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Except the reason we traded for Asik in the first place was so we'd have his Bird Rights because we won't have the cap space to sign a FA like Asik or RoLo or Koufos.
Forgive me for asking as I am not in tune with the salary cap situation as you are, but Asik coming off the books would give use 8-9 mil in space due to his poison pill contract? Surely that would be enough for Koufos or Lopez while still having the MLE correct? I like Asik, but I would sacrifice rebounding and D for a 5 who doesn't have hands of stone.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:24 pm to dafif5
The MLE is only for teams operating above the salary cap, but below the tax payer threshold. If they renounced Asik they'd drop below the salary cap, but only about 5-6 mil below, which would be stupid because that is the same amount that the MLE is.
ETA: this is the main reason why people want to keep Asik. If they get rid of Asik (by renouncing his rights), the Pels won't have enough cap space to sign a center that is better than him. Ideally I'd like to re-sign him on a 1 year deal, but I'm not sure if he'd be down with that.
ETA: this is the main reason why people want to keep Asik. If they get rid of Asik (by renouncing his rights), the Pels won't have enough cap space to sign a center that is better than him. Ideally I'd like to re-sign him on a 1 year deal, but I'm not sure if he'd be down with that.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:41 pm to dafif5
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Forgive me for asking
Asking and learning is what this board is for.
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Asik coming off the books would give use 8-9 mil in space due to his poison pill contract?
First, the poison pill. The way Asik's contract is structured is an unintended consequence of a rule meant to help teams keep 2nd rounders that out perform their short 2 year rookie deals. The poison pill part is that had Chicago matched, this 3/$24 deal would have counted $5/$5/$14 against their cap, but for Houston the cap hit was averaged to $8 over all 3 years, but the money is still paid as the contract is written. The poison pill is the $14.5 million that would have blown up Chicago's cap had they matched. We still had to pay all the money, but the cap hit was just $8.3 million.
As for the question of "Asik's $8 million is coming off the books, that means I have $8 million to spend right?" the answer is not necessarily. The salary cap is projected to increase to $67 million. With all of the contracts we are currently committed to and/or likely to keep
Holiday
Gordon
Tyreke
Ryno
AD
Pondexter
Cole
Roster holds (have to account for at least 12 players on the rookie minimum salary)
So the current roster minus Asik, Cunningham, Ajinca, Withey, Babbitt and Jimmer adds up to $61.4 million, or $5.5 million under the projected cap. But going under the cap means losing your exceptions, including the MLE which is basically the same amount as the cap space you now have. Additionaly you lose exceptions that you probably could have resigned Ajinca and Cunningham with. So not re-signing Asik not only doesn't give you enough cap space to pursue a comparable alternative like RoLo or Koufos, it also costs you the ability to retain key bench contributors. Where as keeping Asik lets you keep everyone else and use the MLE to add a $5ish million player to the mix.
The question with Asik really isn't whether to resign him or not, it's whether you give him an overpriced 1 year deal with an eye towards moving on in 2016, or give him a 4 year declining deal where in year 3 and 4 he's just making decent backup money thanks to the escalating cap.
There are a few scenarios I can think of where we don't retain Asik, but those involve some fairly significant trades with at least 2 of Gordon/Anderson/Tyreke leaving but it also requires the right things breaking our way with other teams' situations so it's unlikely.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 4:50 pm
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