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Discussion about Peshmerga/YPG/Iraq army/and ISIS
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:27 am
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:27 am
Talked to a buddy of mine yesterday who was in military(marines). Although he fought some in Afghanistan, never went to Iraq, he has an in-law who was one of those advisers who assisted with training of Iraq troops several years ago and he has kept up with all this going on now in Iraq, I've also kept up with alot of it.
YPG is Syrian Kurds and Peshmerga is Iraqi Kurds and we talked the differences between the two. He mentioned Kobane and said YPG basically gave ISIS a taste of their own medicine, YPG was using IEDs and suicide bombings to kill ISIS and it kept Kobane in Kurds hands until U.S. airstrikes started to help out. He said Peshmerga is a more modern type military. Basically, if Peshmerga and YPG were to fight against each other, Peshmerga would win in an open field battle but YPG would win in street to street battle and they would resort to more terrorist tactics where Peshmerga wouldn't.
We were talking about Tikrit and how Iraqi military has it surrounded but wouldn't go in b/c of all the bombs planted by ISIS. He stated Peshmerga would probably do the same but YPG would have already taken it over( if they had the same amount of soldiers) and would be on their way to Mosul as we speak.
Another thing he mentioned is that the Iraqi army isn't just full of cowards but were in Sunni held areas(Iraqi army is mostly Shiite) and were dealing with daily suicide bombings, car bombings, and guerrilla warfare, while being outgunned in Sunni areas they really didn't care about to begin with. That was reason why eventually they all fled. He said most of training they had over years was to deal with conventional style warfare and not IEDs, and car bombers but now they are being trained for that also. Thought some of this may clear some things up (for those interested). Also, for military people on TD, is this pretty close to being correct? He stated Kurdish soldiers are not at all great compared to modern armies but as of now, they are alot better than Iraqi military. He mentioned also that Kurds have no interest in Tikrit and Mosul and that's why they aren't a big play in it.
Random arse thread
ETA: I think he fought in Afghanistan, I know he went over there but I never asked and he never mentioned what all he did.
YPG is Syrian Kurds and Peshmerga is Iraqi Kurds and we talked the differences between the two. He mentioned Kobane and said YPG basically gave ISIS a taste of their own medicine, YPG was using IEDs and suicide bombings to kill ISIS and it kept Kobane in Kurds hands until U.S. airstrikes started to help out. He said Peshmerga is a more modern type military. Basically, if Peshmerga and YPG were to fight against each other, Peshmerga would win in an open field battle but YPG would win in street to street battle and they would resort to more terrorist tactics where Peshmerga wouldn't.
We were talking about Tikrit and how Iraqi military has it surrounded but wouldn't go in b/c of all the bombs planted by ISIS. He stated Peshmerga would probably do the same but YPG would have already taken it over( if they had the same amount of soldiers) and would be on their way to Mosul as we speak.
Another thing he mentioned is that the Iraqi army isn't just full of cowards but were in Sunni held areas(Iraqi army is mostly Shiite) and were dealing with daily suicide bombings, car bombings, and guerrilla warfare, while being outgunned in Sunni areas they really didn't care about to begin with. That was reason why eventually they all fled. He said most of training they had over years was to deal with conventional style warfare and not IEDs, and car bombers but now they are being trained for that also. Thought some of this may clear some things up (for those interested). Also, for military people on TD, is this pretty close to being correct? He stated Kurdish soldiers are not at all great compared to modern armies but as of now, they are alot better than Iraqi military. He mentioned also that Kurds have no interest in Tikrit and Mosul and that's why they aren't a big play in it.
Random arse thread
ETA: I think he fought in Afghanistan, I know he went over there but I never asked and he never mentioned what all he did.
This post was edited on 3/22/15 at 11:30 am
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:37 am to windshieldman
I have a ton of respect for the Kurds. They have been trapped in the middle of shite storms for many years and just continue to survive.
They've been given many reasons to pack up and flee, but they tough it out.
Your info is pretty accurate. Although.....Tikrit.....I'm not sure if YPG would have taken it yet either.
They've been given many reasons to pack up and flee, but they tough it out.
Your info is pretty accurate. Although.....Tikrit.....I'm not sure if YPG would have taken it yet either.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:45 am to windshieldman
quote:
He said most of training they had over years was to deal with conventional style warfare and not IEDs, and car bombers but now they are being trained for that also.
This doesn't seem accurate. I think we mostly trained them on how to fight and unconventional war because that's what we were fighting in Iraq at the time. ISIS came in using pretty conventional light infantry/mobilized infantry tactics and fricked the Iraqis up pretty bad.
Basically, they knew how to stand checkpoints and patrol for IEDs but not set up a proper defensive position or how to use fire and maneuver to attack.
That's my 2 cents but I haven't been to Iraq since 05 and was never involved with training their forces.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:46 am to windshieldman
I did two tours in Iraq. The Kurds are bad arse mother frickers, which is why every sect in the region fears them, to include the Turks.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:48 am to windshieldman
I think there's a big difference between what an army will do when its survival is at stake and what they'll do to take someone else's land back for them. So I doubt YPG would be all that eager to sacrifice many lives to retake Tikrit.
The YPG's tactics in Kobane also show that suicide bombing per se isn't some cowardly or evil act, but a strategy peoples take up when conventional military means fail them.
The YPG's tactics in Kobane also show that suicide bombing per se isn't some cowardly or evil act, but a strategy peoples take up when conventional military means fail them.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:51 am to windshieldman
I find this all pretty interesting...but honestly, probably didn't understand more than 15% of what you wrote... ![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/IconLOL.gif)
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Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:58 am to windshieldman
Kurdish Peshmerga are developing a reputation kind of like Gurkas. Not thT many of them, but they bring hell in a fight.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 12:37 pm to windshieldman
Another question I have for military people. When we initially went in Iraq to fight them after 9/11, were we fighting Shiite and Sunnis or was Iraqi army back then mostly Sunnis? I also read alot about how Iraqi army is fighting alongside Shiite militias, was that the case when we were going into Iraq? Or were Shiite militias on our side?
This post was edited on 3/22/15 at 12:38 pm
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