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re: I still am not sure how UVa and Duke are both getting 1 seeds?

Posted on 3/9/15 at 11:23 am to
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/9/15 at 11:23 am to
That comp is Duke versus UVa, which says nothing about both getting one seeds. Expand your comp, leaving out Kentucky, who is a no-brainer 1-seed.

V. RPI top 25
Duke 6-1
UVa 5-2
Nova 6-1
Wisky 2-2
Zona 3-0

v. RPI top 50
Duke 10-2
UVa 8-2
Nova 11-1
Wisky 8-2
Zona 6-0

v. RPI top 100
Duke 17-3
UVa 15-2
Nova 15-2
Wisky 15-2
Zona 13-2

Considering the fact that Duke is the only team in that group without a conference title, I don't see how you can call them a 1-seed lock. Looking at those breakdowns, Villanova clearly has the best resume, and I'd argue Arizona has the second best. They don't have a lot of top 50 wins, but they are undefeated. And against the top 100, they have the same winning percentage as the other squads.

If Duke were running away on the metrics, I can see giving them a one seed over everyone despite the lack of a title, but I just don't see their resume as being considerably better than anyone else's save Wisconsin (who I just can't justify giving a one seed, which is a shame, because I like them better than any team in this grouping, and they are gonna get the Kentucky screw job).

If Duke wins the ACC tourney, I would give them the 1-seed over UVa, and I can see both of them getting one if both Nova and Zona fall in their tourneys. But right now, I'd still go UK, Nova, Zona, ACC champ.
Posted by Speedy G
Member since Aug 2013
3911 posts
Posted on 3/9/15 at 11:48 am to
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I'd argue Arizona has the second best. They don't have a lot of top 50 wins, but they are undefeated. And against the top 100, they have the same winning percentage as the other squads.

But three losses (way) outside the top 50, and I don't see enough quality wins to counter that.

I think the 'vs. the top X' records get obscured when they overlap. Break it down like this:

vs. 1-25
Duke 6-1
Arizona 3-0

vs. 26-50
Duke 4-1
Arizona 3-0

vs. 51-100
Duke 7-1
Arizona 7-2

vs. 101+
Duke 11-0
Arizona 15-1

I have always like Arizona, but the west coast hasn't offered them enough quality competition this year, IMO.
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
139889 posts
Posted on 3/9/15 at 1:42 pm to
I am still not sold on the idea of both getting 1 seeds, although people have made good arguments on both sides.

I also think winning the regular season and a conference tourney title like Wisconsin and Arizona have the chance to do should weigh heavily in that. Championships should matter, as they completed what was asked of them to do.
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