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re: Marilyn vos Savant and the history of the Montel Hall question
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:45 pm to Monk
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:45 pm to Monk
quote:But you are basically choosing 2 doors when you switch (2/3 chance). So it is technically two choices, but the odds are still 2/3 to 1/3.
Conceptually, I agree. It is never a 1/3 proposition since the host is always going to drop a goat for you. In reality, it is always a 50/50 proposition once you accept that the Host will, no matter what you pick initially, always drop a goat.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:47 pm to buckeye_vol
I have a better idea.
Take any two doors, where you know that there is a car behind one and a goat behind the other. Pick one. Switch or don't switch, I don't care. Record your results over 100 tries. (Hint: if you flip a coin this will be the same, and easier).
The point is: If you accept carrying the initial 3-door probabilities forward, the mathematical proofs are correct. But that is a lie; the problem has been changed to eliminate one non-car door. That is what people intuitively understand, and why they say that it is a 50/50 shot at that point.
Take any two doors, where you know that there is a car behind one and a goat behind the other. Pick one. Switch or don't switch, I don't care. Record your results over 100 tries. (Hint: if you flip a coin this will be the same, and easier).
The point is: If you accept carrying the initial 3-door probabilities forward, the mathematical proofs are correct. But that is a lie; the problem has been changed to eliminate one non-car door. That is what people intuitively understand, and why they say that it is a 50/50 shot at that point.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:52 pm to buckeye_vol
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But you are basically choosing 2 doors when you switch (2/3 chance). So it is technically two choices, but the odds are still 2/3 to 1/3.
That's how I like to look at it. There is no chance involved in Montel's decision. Deliberately showing you a goat and allowing you to switch your door for his remaining door is equivalent to not showing you a door and letting you trade your door for his two, at least one of which, of course, will conceal a goat.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 4:18 pm to buckeye_vol
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But you are basically choosing 2 doors when you switch (2/3 chance). So it is technically two choices, but the odds are still 2/3 to 1/3.
Yes, which is why I clarified my agreement "conceptually" versus reality.
But, in the end, you are not actually being given 2 chances to pick the car. Remember, the Host will ALWAYS drop a goat for you so it is simply impossible to pick 2 goats. So, it was always one car and one goat to pick from.
If you picked the car correctly (your 1/3 pick), you will now be given yet another chance to screw up and change to the wrong pick but this time you have a 50/50 chance instead of the "initial" 1/3 chance.
With all that said, the explanation of the solution is provided in the article and there is nothing, that I know of, that any of us can do to refute the results.
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