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I...I don't even know what to say to this. I'll try anyway. You're telling me that you had a product, made by Compaq in 2001, that you could buy/subscribe to services that allowed you to download or stream HD video and music to OTA? Your iPAQ ran microsoft office apps? You could make video calls with it? Capture HD video? Take pictures? Use it as a GPS out of the box? Have an app like Waze that crowd sources traffic information? Had a full HTML browser? Had access to an app store with over a million apps?

Come on, man, you know what he meant. Today's smartphones are little more than the PDA's of 10+ years ago with a decade of tech advancement, plus a cell radio. He is simply making the inarguable point that the iPhone was NOT the marvel of innovation that it was made out to be, but its success makes the world believe that it was.

So let's tackle your list one by one:

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that you could buy/subscribe to services that allowed you to download or stream HD video and music to OTA?

Why are you attributing the creation/innovation of not only the tech which allows HD video to be streamed AND displayed, but also for the services and tech that makes it possible to do this OTA, to Apple?!

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Your iPAQ ran microsoft office apps?

Yes, Pocket Office came out in 1996. I definitely had Pocket Office on my Dell Axim in 2005. How is this an Apple innovation?

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You could make video calls with it?

The first iPhone with a front-facing camera for video calls was the iPhone4, which came out in 2010. People were making video calls on the Sony Ericsson Z1010 in 2004. More Apple innovation!

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Capture HD video?

Blaming the real innovators for not taking advantage of technology that wasn't available yet?

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Use it as a GPS out of the box?

First phone with GPS came out in 1999. And nice "out of the box" qualifier, as I'm sure you know external GPS antennas were available for many PDAs long before the iPhone. Again, blaming the real innovators for not taking advantage of component shrinkage advances that had not occurred yet.

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Have an app like Waze that crowd sources traffic information?

Now Apple is responsible for Waze?

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Had a full HTML browser?

Apple innovated HTML and the web browser? Actually, I think the first web browser for a mobile PDA was developed for the Apple Newton... but not by Apple.

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Had access to an app store with over a million apps?

An adaptation of the innovation of the Linux software repository.

Do you have any actual examples of innovation on Apple's part in the last 10 years?

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Posted by colorchangintiger

Dan Carlin

Member since Nov 2005

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Posted on 2/19/15 at 3:01 pm to Korkstand

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Come on, man, you know what he meant

I take what he said as what he meant. That his iPaq could do everything single thing that an iPhone today can do.

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I had a Compaq iPAQ around 2001 that could do all of the same shite as all three of those products

Where in post did I say Apple was responsible for any of the technological advancements? Why are you sticking up for this guy anyway?

ETA: Regardless of all that:

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Apple innovated HTML and the web browser? Actually, I think the first web browser for a mobile PDA was developed for the Apple Newton... but not by Apple.

I'm pretty sure that mobile safari was the first mobile HTIML browser. I could be wrong though. Either way, his iPaq did not have an HTML browser, WAP maybe.

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Do you have any actual examples of innovation on Apple's part in the last 10 years?

Apple's biggest innovation of the past 10 years was pricing structure with the iPhone. Keeping the year old model (and two year old model) around at $100 less than it was the previous year.

This post was edited on 2/19/15 at 3:05 pm

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