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re: Google Glass essentially flopped...
Posted on 2/3/15 at 11:40 am to GFunk
Posted on 2/3/15 at 11:40 am to GFunk
quote:Maybe I am "biased" in my downplaying of the iPhone, because I owned a Dell Axim in 2005, on which I installed Skype to place internet calls. It had a touchscreen (though not multitouch), allowed 3rd party apps (which the original iPhone did not), had a very limited set of buttons and most actions were done using the touchscreen. Here is a photo of it:
You're being trite and I'm not going to respond but I will say that the phone that was the "it" phone immediately preceding the iPhone had nowhere near what the iPhone brought to the table. Touchscreen technology, using multi-touch display, almost no buttons necessary to utilize the majority of the phone's features. Please don't tell me the Blackjack you had on Cingular Wireless was comparable. It's just not. It's not even derivative. It took mobile phones in a dramatically different direction. Denying that or downplaying it is just as much of a biased response as anything I've said here.
Look at that device and tell me, with a straight face, that the iPhone was a giant leap from there. The only differences between it and the iPhone were a cell radio, multitouch, an OS that took advantage of multitouch, the inevitable 2 year advances in hardware, and a central app repository (which didn't come around until iPhoneOS2 in 2008, and was "borrowed" from the linux world). The iPhone was a baby step in the evolution of devices when compared to Glass. Glass pushes the limits of miniaturization and social acceptance.
But since you mentioned bias, why are we even talking about Apple stuff in a Google thread? Oh, yeah, you brought it up. But no bias, right?
quote:Because their definition of failure differs from Google's and mine?
But still denying its failure? Why are such esteemed outlets as the Harvard Business Review and the Atlantic in disagreement with you and others on this board I wonder?
quote:Like I already said, they're taking wearables to where they are profitable to Google. That's it. If the day comes that everybody gives up on making wearables that aren't watches, then start your failure thread. But I look forward to more public beta products that lead to a cool future. A lot of time passed between Apple's Newton "failure" and iPhone. Other Apple "failures" include the Lisa and Macintosh Portable. But I wouldn't call these failures. These devices were ahead of their time, sure, but they paved the way for Apple's future.
Are they really taking wearables where they want to go? Their CFO seems to think that they're doing something different.
quote:Because that's how it works on the bleeding edge. You can call products that don't achieve commercial success "failures" or "flops" if you want, I guess, but there is a huge, HUGE, difference between making a million of something, putting them in stores, and then having to throw them all away, vs. creating a beta version of a product to collect data.
So if they are admitting the need to reset the strategy, or start over, how is this them taking wearables where they want to go? Isn't this an admission of the fact that Google Glass was on its way somewhere they did not want it to go? If not, why the need for a pause or reset?
quote:Why do you get to be the judge of who is "anyone"? A writer at HBR? He's someone?! If it didn't make money, of course a business mag will label it a failure. But do you honestly, truly believe that Google thought this first shot at Glass would make money? I don't think anyone in this world believes that.
But everyone who is anyone is saying it failed. I remain unconvinced as to your protestations otherwise.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 1:27 pm to Korkstand
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Korkstand
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Because that's how it works on the bleeding edge. You can call products that don't achieve commercial success "failures" or "flops" if you want, I guess, but there is a huge, HUGE, difference between making a million of something, putting them in stores, and then having to throw them all away, vs. creating a beta version of a product to collect data.
This gets a giggle out of me. You said they were taking wearables where they always wanted to go. Why didn't they take them there in the first place? Why would they need to pause and reset in order to do so? To me-and I'd like to think I'm reasonable-a "pause and reset" would mean you aren't going where you want to, and you need to "pause and reset" in order to do it.
I get that you're on about the Failure part. I'll mention like the Cad fella here that it's not just me calling Glass a failure. It's thousands of different news outlets and writers-I'm sure they're all trash and ignorant and have no experience or understanding or depth of knowledge compared to you though-have used the exact same term to describe what happened with Glass.
quote:I absolutely do believe that. Why would they sell a product that cost $80 to make in beta for $1,500 and then "drop" the price to $1,000? Is that some type of deal? Gimme a break. They took a page out of Apple's premium pricing for the product. They paid the blogosphere millions to promote it and trotted out their founder to ride on a Subway and be pictured with it, nevermind to get out in front of the trendsetters and kingmakers at TED and talk about it's virtues.
But do you honestly, truly believe that Google thought this first shot at Glass would make money? I don't think anyone in this world believes that.
Do you think they were taking the "long run" and planning for it not to make money by doing all that early stage effort?
Tell you what, let's just leave that alone...
Look at Project Ara, and look at Google Glass...Which one had more hype, PR, and general oomph behind it from Google? It's obvious...They thought that Google Glass would be the killer product that helped them leap forward and compete with Apple as a hardware/software maker in one that had a hot piece of premium tech that was first-to-market in the space.
Seriously...They were selling it to the public for a grand and a half...but it cost $80...If they weren't trying to make money off of it WTF were they doing?
Sheesh...
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