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re: Atheists die sooner, are ill longer, and lead less happy lives than non-atheists
Posted on 12/25/14 at 12:24 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 12/25/14 at 12:24 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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Morality is subjective.
You are correct about this. Morality is all about right vs. wrong. This always involves judgment, judgment is the opposite of Forgiveness.
I can make a judgment that you wronged me, then say, "well you are wrong for what you did to me, but since I'm so wonderful, I forgive you" basically we make the event real, then try to forgive it.
That is the basis of that nasty little misunderstood word sin. The belief in that word is what seemingly hurled us into this physical realm. It produces guilt 1st, then fear. The ego cannot live with guilt, it will project it out, on something or someone, including our own body. Hence suicide, etc....
True Forgiveness is to overlook, to see through, as if nothing happened, because in Reality nothing did. To ignore ego in others, and self, and see the guiltless, sinless child of God in all of us.
We are as God Created us, we can't, nor do we need to change anything but our mind.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 1:10 pm to BGSB
Well, I read this whole thread this afternoon when I ran across it after lunch. I'd share a few thoughts.
First off, there's a lot that you have to take on faith in the mainstream scientific explanation of the why and how of anything being here. For this universe to be so finely tuned for sentient life pretty much requires an infinite number of universes for that fine tuning to appear. None of them ever have or can be observed, if they exist. There are innumerable examples like this throughout this theory. An atheist who demands pictures or objective evidence is being hypocritical when they do so.
The statement was also made about the trustworthiness of the bible. You made the case for the original manuscripts, but you made a jump from that based on an assumption-translations ARE suspect. There are no word for word translations from the greek/hebrew/aramaic to the English that can be made. It only takes the change in translation of a few words in important places to change the meaning you will get from that text. I'm a staunch bible believer, but not of the translations. In my view, the mainstream of Christianity has gotten some things wrong because of this. That's opened the door for criticism from atheists, which makes it harder for people to see the true light of scripture, and where science is actually pointing to. It's becoming more and more obvious to them that this universe is a created thing, with an intelligence behind it. They are careful to posit that intelligence as 'alien' or 'higher' or even human beings of the future instead of using the word that most theists would use-God.
First off, there's a lot that you have to take on faith in the mainstream scientific explanation of the why and how of anything being here. For this universe to be so finely tuned for sentient life pretty much requires an infinite number of universes for that fine tuning to appear. None of them ever have or can be observed, if they exist. There are innumerable examples like this throughout this theory. An atheist who demands pictures or objective evidence is being hypocritical when they do so.
The statement was also made about the trustworthiness of the bible. You made the case for the original manuscripts, but you made a jump from that based on an assumption-translations ARE suspect. There are no word for word translations from the greek/hebrew/aramaic to the English that can be made. It only takes the change in translation of a few words in important places to change the meaning you will get from that text. I'm a staunch bible believer, but not of the translations. In my view, the mainstream of Christianity has gotten some things wrong because of this. That's opened the door for criticism from atheists, which makes it harder for people to see the true light of scripture, and where science is actually pointing to. It's becoming more and more obvious to them that this universe is a created thing, with an intelligence behind it. They are careful to posit that intelligence as 'alien' or 'higher' or even human beings of the future instead of using the word that most theists would use-God.
This post was edited on 12/25/14 at 1:12 pm
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