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Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:12 pm to
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:12 pm to
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Here's where it gets tricky because you get into a lot of caveats based on the particular belief and the particular outcome. If there is nothing and my consciousness just disappears for eternity, the truth of an afterlife is verified to be untrue, even though I'm no longer aware to be able to know or understand it. That's an example where I cannot knowingly verify the truth claim, even if the truth claim is verified by my death.

I strongly disagree. If you don't exist, nothing can be verified to you. The existence of an observer is implicit and essential in the concept of 'verification'--you can't separate the two and still have verification. At least that's the way I see it.
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Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:24 pm to
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I strongly disagree. If you don't exist, nothing can be verified to you. The existence of an observer is implicit and essential in the concept of 'verification'--you can't separate the two and still have verification.
You're right. In the case of lack of consciousness, I wouldn't be able to verify anything about it. However, the lack of consciousness would prove my faith to be wrong. There is just no way for me or anyone else to know that it did.

But if there is consciousness after death and the soul goes to Heaven or Hell (or somewhere else), then theoretically it would be possible to verify whether or not the belief held by an individual while alive was true or false.

The outcome after death will determine whether or not a particular belief is true or false, and there's just no way to know for certain without experiencing it, yourself.

All of that speaks to "verification" of truth. Whether or not something is true does not necessarily depend on us to be able to verify it, even though verification is required for us to really know truth for certain. Lack of certainty requires trust, which is where faith comes in.
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